Campbell's numbers dont lie

[Green1]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Stats are usually good indicators, but can be deceiving...

1) JC gets a high completion percentage b/c he throws short and/or safe passes. Usually this is a good thing, especially when nursing a lead, but as we all know, the redskins have not had this luxury for quite some time. A QB should take risk so in order to balance out the completions % stat, u must look at number of pass plays over 20 yards (a category which, JC has been very sub-par over his career). Also completing passes that are short of a first down on 3rd and long are about as good as incompletions and should be accounted for in such instances. The OP mentioned Chad Pennington (who has the highest completion % among active QB's), but who here really considers him to be an elite QB. His completion % is very much deceptive in the same way JC's is.

2) Lack of TD's by a QB is one of the 3 most important statistical categories. How can someone doing a statistical analysis of his play neglect this or offer to reconcile his deficiency in this category? It is an absolutely telling stat about the offensive production of the team of which JC should be the field general. It ultimately falls on his shoulders, more than any player, and if he can't at least average 2 TD's a game, you cannot make the assertion that he is anywhere near the top 10 statistically. Just think 2 TD's in a game for JC was actually a GOOD day for him, compared to what is expected of the other elites of the NFL (which would be an average-to-poor showing).

3) JC gets a decent amount of passing yards because of two reasons: (1) We have receivers who r great at getting YAC (which is partly to his credit for putting the ball where it needs to be but largely are a product of the receivers' (ARE, Moss, and Cooley) skill set); (2) Often times he is forced to get big yardage in the second half and at the ends of games b/c it is a close game or we are down and we need to throw to catch up. He tends to rack up yards against prevent defenses (which again is to his credit) but had he is largely responsible for putting the team in that come-from-behind mode in the first place. Think about a typical game for Manning, Brees, or Brady. They are racking up yards and completions throughout the game. I don't know if u guys have been watching the same skins that I have for the past 3 years but it seems like we have 1 or 2 drives in the first half and then go away for an extended period of time only to have to rally back late in the game. Good QB's don't put themselves in this position most of the times.

4) To go one step further great QB's have confidence in their play (and instill confidence in the coaching staff) to the point where they are being aggressive even with a small lead. Nobody has the type of confidence in JC to allow him to try to rack up yards late in a close game to put the game out of reach... why? Isn't this the same QB who has a great completion % and low INT rate? The stats say you should want him to throw it, but seldom do you see this.

Yes, we have had a great running game in the past, but you can't start nursing a lead halfway thru the 3rd quarter. Yes, we've had O-line injuries in the past, but which team hasn't? At this level you must be able to adapt. The bottom line is that JC doesn't have that killer instinct (or his coaches don't have faith that he does), but either way some of the blame for that falls on him. More importantly, this lack of execution/faith is reflected in his play even though it may be lost in his padded stats. Ultimately it comes down to W's and L's and as we all know JC has been an average QB by this most important metric...

Faith in the QB? Zorn and the FO have been trying to get rid of Campbell since Zorn got here. JC in the no huddle(were he calls the plays) scores more when Zorn calls the plays. Check that STAT

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by Green1

Faith in the QB? Zorn and the FO have been trying to get rid of Campbell since Zorn got here. JC in the no huddle(were he calls the plays) scores more when Zorn calls the plays. Check that STAT

...against a prevent defense which hasn't successfully defended a lead in 19 games until, oh yea, THIS WEEK!

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

Stats are usually good indicators, but can be deceiving...

1) JC gets a high completion percentage b/c he throws short and/or safe passes. Usually this is a good thing, especially when nursing a lead, but as we all know, the redskins have not had this luxury for quite some time. A QB should take risk so in order to balance out the completions % stat, u must look at number of pass plays over 20 yards (a category which, JC has been very sub-par over his career). Also completing passes that are short of a first down on 3rd and long are about as good as incompletions and should be accounted for in such instances. The OP mentioned Chad Pennington (who has the highest completion % among active QB's), but who here really considers him to be an elite QB. His completion % is very much deceptive in the same way JC's is.

2) Lack of TD's by a QB is one of the 3 most important statistical categories. How can someone doing a statistical analysis of his play neglect this or offer to reconcile his deficiency in this category? It is an absolutely telling stat about the offensive production of the team of which JC should be the field general. It ultimately falls on his shoulders, more than any player, and if he can't at least average 2 TD's a game, you cannot make the assertion that he is anywhere near the top 10 statistically. Just think 2 TD's in a game for JC was actually a GOOD day for him, compared to what is expected of the other elites of the NFL (which would be an average-to-poor showing).

3) JC gets a decent amount of passing yards because of two reasons: (1) We have receivers who r great at getting YAC (which is partly to his credit for putting the ball where it needs to be but largely are a product of the receivers' (ARE, Moss, and Cooley) skill set); (2) Often times he is forced to get big yardage in the second half and at the ends of games b/c it is a close game or we are down and we need to throw to catch up. He tends to rack up yards against prevent defenses (which again is to his credit) but had he is largely responsible for putting the team in that come-from-behind mode in the first place. Think about a typical game for Manning, Brees, or Brady. They are racking up yards and completions throughout the game. I don't know if u guys have been watching the same skins that I have for the past 3 years but it seems like we have 1 or 2 drives in the first half and then go away for an extended period of time only to have to rally back late in the game. Good QB's don't put themselves in this position most of the times.

4) To go one step further great QB's have confidence in their play (and instill confidence in the coaching staff) to the point where they are being aggressive even with a small lead. Nobody has the type of confidence in JC to allow him to try to rack up yards late in a close game to put the game out of reach... why? Isn't this the same QB who has a great completion % and low INT rate? The stats say you should want him to throw it, but seldom do you see this.

Yes, we have had a great running game in the past, but you can't start nursing a lead halfway thru the 3rd quarter. Yes, we've had O-line injuries in the past, but which team hasn't? At this level you must be able to adapt. The bottom line is that JC doesn't have that killer instinct (or his coaches don't have faith that he does), but either way some of the blame for that falls on him. More importantly, this lack of execution/faith is reflected in his play even though it may be lost in his padded stats. Ultimately it comes down to W's and L's and as we all know JC has been an average QB by this most important metric...

excellent post,I think you summed it up about JC

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by bigant

stop it he stinks,who cares what the numbers say,in big spots he is a dear in headlights enough said,.......

You do realize that JC had the same look when he was undefeated and won a national championship at Auburn, right?

Let's face it, you just don't like the way that JC looks, whatever that means.

[MTK]

Love the ol "deer in the headlights" cliche. Like that's not played out. What the hell does that even mean? I guess when you can't rag on completion %, yards per attempt, total yards, QB rating, you know stuff like reality, that one is always good to pull out of the hat. That and heart. Another one of those cliched intangibles.

[Green1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Love the ol "deer in the headlights" cliche. Like that's not played out. What the hell does that even mean? I guess when you can't rag on completion %, yards per attempt, total yards, QB rating, you know stuff like reality, that one is always good to pull out of the hat. That and heart. Another one of those cliched intangibles.

Your right. QBs always have heart when the team wins and none when the team loses.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Love the ol "deer in the headlights" cliche. Like that's not played out. What the hell does that even mean? I guess when you can't rag on completion %, yards per attempt, total yards, QB rating, you know stuff like reality, that one is always good to pull out of the hat. That and heart. Another one of those cliched intangibles.

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

Throwing TD's is also a function of the playcalling and execution in the RZ. He's had at least 2 TD passes dropped so far.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Throwing TD's is also a function of the playcalling and execution in the RZ. He's had at least 2 TD passes dropped so far.

Your correct. Earlier in this thread I posted the 6 TDs that were left on the field that weren't JC's fault. People jsut ant to hate. Let them hate. They usually throw out generally unfounded statements and old points on things which JC has improved on. Even if he did get tds at garbage time in the game. Do you realize he is calling all the plays on those drives. Zorn said it himself. Maybe he should call more. But let people tell it JC is too stupid to call his own plays. But he did and when he does we score. No matter what time of the game it is. If he was so horrible he wouldn't be able to do that IMO.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Your correct. Earlier in this thread I posted the 6 TDs that were left on the field that weren't JC's fault. People jsut ant to hate. Let them hate. They usually throw out generally unfounded statements and old points on things which JC has improved on. Even if he did get tds at garbage time in the game. Do you realize he is calling all the plays on those drives. Zorn said it himself. Maybe he should call more. But let people tell it JC is too stupid to call his own plays. But he did and when he does we score. No matter what time of the game it is. If he was so horrible he wouldn't be able to do that IMO.

The problem is Campbell doesn't have confidence in Zorn's playcalling and as a result doesn't execute it well. And also at the same time, Zorn doesn't trust Campbell to make plays, so he calls plays to minimize his perceived risks.

Campbell and Zorn just needs to play and coach without fear.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

See, I'd be ok with the JC rants if he was putting up JaMarcus Russell or Jake Delhomme numbers. But until that happens, people just need to calm down with the "Campbell is the the only problem" rants.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

I disagree. I think that the "Qb's are judged by wins" saying is faux wisdom, since football is a team game which is not determined by one player. Look at Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. He has an 8-11 record as a starter. But most teams in the NFL would love to have him under center.

[Green1]

Let me ask you guys something: If your boss was trying to replace you. I think you would try to perform tasks exactly the way he wanted you to, so if the plan doesn't work he can't blame you. JC is going through that right now.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

Needless to say his statistics are impressive. In the end however, he will be judged soley on wins & loses. Mr. Snyder may not be sympathetic towards statistics.

[MTK]

With a yards per attempt of 7.8, I think we need to reconsider this notion that all JC does is throw dump offs. It's just not the case this year. Plus if you've watched the games at all you know what the deal is. If you're paying attention that is.