Campbell A Raider

[jsarno]

Let's face facts here, we need someone that can WIN us games. That when the game is on the line, someone steps up and wins it for us. There has been no one on this roster to do that for years. Campbell is NOT that guy. Sure, he was a great locker room presence, and a stand up guy, and we will all miss that, but as a starting QB he proved over and over that he is not that guy. Shame on us for believing he could be our savior, he has second string talent. He'll make a great back up for someone, but unfortunately he went to a situation that will likely chew him up and spit him out cause he needs a HUGE supporting cast to overshadow his lack of talent on the field.
I certainly wish him the best, and I hope that the change in scenary means he will be a changed QB and I certainly hope he becomes a pro bowler, because good people deserve second chances. I just don't see his talent being enough to make it.

[GTripp0012]

I do think we can close the book on the trades for both Campbell and McIntosh as being cases of over-compensation. Neither have performed quite at the level we gave up to get them.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I do think we can close the book on the trades for both Campbell and McIntosh as being cases of over-compensation. Neither have performed quite at the level we gave up to get them.

Well said.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I do think we can close the book on the trades for both Campbell and McIntosh as being cases of over-compensation. Neither have performed quite at the level we gave up to get them.

Yeah that's pretty much the gist of it. Rocky hasn't played up to what we hoped, and when you draft a QB in the 1st round, obviously the expectation is that he'll be a higher level starter for a number of years for your team. What makes it worse is that we gave up picks to move up and get both of them, so the net loss is that much worse.

I agree with Matty that a bust is a guy who can't play. JC and RM are both starting caliber NFL players, but they just haven't lived up to their expectations. Busts? No. What the Redskins were hoping for? No.

I still think Jason could put up some nice numbers under the Shanahans, but that's irrelevant at this point.

[dgack]

Sad to see JC go in the same way I would be to see Reed Doughty go if he was cut. Both played hard and stayed classy but neither were "The Best" at their position.

I was quite surprised to learn that JC17 leaves as the sixth most prolific QB in team history. Not bad for a bust who only knows how to check down. I hope he throws caution to the wind and starts airing it out in Choakland. It remains to be seen if any of their receivers can catch but at least he's got a young speed WR he's unlikely to overthrow in DHB.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by dgack

Sad to see JC go in the same way I would be to see Reed Doughty go if he was cut. Both played hard and stayed classy but neither were "The Best" at their position.

I was quite surprised to learn that JC17 leaves as the sixth most prolific QB in team history. Not bad for a bust who only knows how to check down. I hope he throws caution to the wind and starts airing it out in Choakland. It remains to be seen if any of their receivers can catch but at least he's got a young speed WR he's unlikely to overthrow in DHB.

It's actually pretty easy to argue that Louis Murphy is the better of the two wideouts Oakland drafted last year. DHB is fast. Thats about it.

[JoeRedskin]

Personally, I think Patrick Ramsey was simply not given a chance.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Personally, I think Patrick Ramsey was simply not given a chance.

Yet, another bust. Obviously he wasnt the answer either considering he is out of the NFL and no one wanted him after going to NY and Denver.
We have a history of signing sub-par qbs and expecting great results. Frerotte, Banks, and Ramsey are just a few.

[12thMan]

How can anyone say Patrick Ramsey wasn't given a chance?

[Dirtbag59]

Get em while they're hot.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

How can anyone say Patrick Ramsey wasn't given a chance?

Sorry, I forgot to put on my sarcasm/irony font.

At this point, arguments over Campbell and his legacy are about as fruitful as discussing the same about Ramsey. I expect that Campbell will have more success in his post Skins career than Ramsey has had in his, BUT the bottom line is - it just doesn't matter to the Skins.

ce'st la vie. Good bye and Good luck JC. As with Patrick, we hoped you'd be the "Franchise QB" that would lead us to the promised land and you weren't.

[over the mountain]

probably when gibbs left brunell in after the first half of the season opener with ramsey never starting again despite outplaying brunell in preseason when it was an "open competition".

ramsey wasnt a gibbs type qb, he preferred smarter qbs who valued possessions and didnt cause my turnovers. ramsey would throw it up for grabs sometimes.

honestly, i dont blame gibbs for going with brunell, its his right as HC to pick the guy he wants to run his offense through.

Now shannahan and kyle come in and dont think they can run their offense through campbell (probably b/c he doesnt make quick reads or decisions).

gibbs overreached big time in drafting campbell imo. maybe b/c campbell is such a good character religous guy which gibbs values, he had a great frame for being an nfc east qb, had a strong arm.

i respect campbell but im real glad we are upgrading the qb position. i just dont know how much of an upgrade mcnabb is. i hope we dont try to expect or ask too much of him.

[mlmdub130]

we had this whole freakin discussion the end of last season regarding laundry

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...ow-a-bust.html

[JoeRedskin]

^^ Much more concisely put.

[MTK]

Some seem to have very loose definitions of bust, but traditionally a bust is a guy that is an epic failure. A guy that comes into the league with high expectations and quickly proves that he is not a NFL caliber player.