Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And it is hard to understand why you think this is a big deal. But then again, if he is "forcing" the team to stick to the 4-3, actually I'd be all for that because I believe our team has no business being in the 3-4.

Everything that has come directly from Haynesworth himself says that he is not thrilled with the 3-4, but he'll play it. He also wishes they'd use him as a 3-4 DE and not a NT, which I agree. Is he trying to push for a trade? Probably, but it'd be smart for the team to keep him because given the perception of a problem (it is my believe) the team won't get a fair compensation.

Personally, I'd like to see this team use their players better. If this were any other player, we'd be having a discussion about this whole change to the 3-4, whether we should do it, and why do we keep having coaches that don't use their players to the best of their capacity. But since it's Haynesworth, the bitter girlfriends just keep hounding on just him being absent.

only a complete fool will take anything haynesworth, his agent, or the redskins front office says about the situation at face value Remember, they all said Snyder was meeting with Speck to talk about Malcom Kelly.

If you consider the possibility that Haynesworth really DOES want to be traded, and the team is still open to the possibility, then everyone's behavior makes compete sense. In that scenario, everyone would be acting exactly as they are. Actions speak louder than words. In light of what we know, the scenario that makes the most sense is that Haynesworth wants out.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

it is obvious. if someone can come up with a logical explaination for all of haynesworth's offseason behavior, that also fits with what we know of him as a player in his entire professional career, i'd love to hear it. so far, everyone just says florio and JLC are making crap up for the fun of it, without providing a plausible explaination for AH's behavior. sorry, but i'm not that gullible.

All his offseason behavior? What is he doing besides working out on his own?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

only a complete fool will take anything haynesworth, his agent, or the redskins front office says about the situation at face value Remember, they all said Snyder was meeting with Speck to talk about Malcom Kelly.

If you consider the possibility that Haynesworth really DOES want to be traded, and the team is still open to the possibility, then everyone's behavior makes compete sense. In that scenario, everyone would be acting exactly as they are. Actions speak louder than words. In light of what we know, the scenario that makes the most sense is that Haynesworth wants out.

Well the media swore we were getting Peppers, but we all know how that turned out. I'm just a fool that thinks somewhat logically, instead of basing my comments on wishful thinking or some pissy grudge against a player.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And it is hard to understand why you think this is a big deal. But then again, if he is "forcing" the team to stick to the 4-3, actually I'd be all for that because I believe our team has no business being in the 3-4.

Everything that has come directly from Haynesworth himself says that he is not thrilled with the 3-4, but he'll play it. He also wishes they'd use him as a 3-4 DE and not a NT, which I agree. Is he trying to push for a trade? Probably, but it'd be smart for the team to keep him because given the perception of a problem (it is my believe) the team won't get a fair compensation.

Personally, I'd like to see this team use their players better. If this were any other player, we'd be having a discussion about this whole change to the 3-4, whether we should do it, and why do we keep having coaches that don't use their players to the best of their capacity. But since it's Haynesworth, the bitter girlfriends just keep hounding on just him being absent.

I agree...... and all this bashing Haynesworth started after Shanahan came aboard and voiced his displeasure about him not being here for voluntary work. There was not a single thread condemning Haynesworth between the end of last season and the time Shanahan came to Washington, and even he has not exactly walked on water just yet.

Haynesworth's not being here now is more an indictment against the team's poorly run training program last year which only a few want to talk about, and which prompted him to plan another option before the general arrived that he felt was going to help him better his performance.

I would challenge anyone to show documentation (video) or a statement coming from the mouth of Haynesworth where he actually stated he wanted to be traded, or where he didn't want to play the N/T position in a 3-4 defensive alignment. I heard him state his preference, nothing more or less. Mind you, I'm not talking about what somebody said or what has been widely reported in the media. Much of the negative reporting surrounding Haynesworth has proven to be pure conjecture, based on mindless premature judgement and speculation.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

All his offseason behavior? What is he doing besides working out on his own?

lol seriously

BHA can really run with stuff

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I know where it came from, but I don't get the whole bitter girlfriend thing. At the core, this is about "who do you want in the foxhole with you". The 50+ guys who made sacrifices to be at the voluntary workouts to make the team better, or the one selfish a-hole who didn't.

I don't know about a foxhole, but on the field I want the best players playing in the position that suits them the best. Personally, I don't think being at voluntary work outs is a sacrifice, but I do understand why it would be good to have everyone at these voluntary workouts.

Outside of his injuries, Shawn Springs missed a number of voluntary camps/workouts, and I'm sure a lot of people would have wanted him in the foxhole.

[over the mountain]

well, as a great cartoon once said, theres more than meets the eye.

while right now AH's biggest indictment is his decision to work out on his own, i did read a wash po article yesterday where it talked about how at a practice towards last seasons end AH stopped practicing b/c he said he had a hurt ankle. other players said that same day they were practicing with torn tendons and 3 cracked ribs.

those kind of things add up.

and he was dismissed from team practice last year for showing up late. i wonder how much the decision to send AH home that day was due to isolated incident of being late or the teams culmination of frustration with his perceived laziness and lack of dedication throughout that year.

last year SS you said there was no proof that snyder was meddling and that you know he is not. then it comes out that snyder was meeting with the HC every friday before games and having weekly lunchs with AH. (i dont not want to rehas a DS argument here, he has by all accounts stopped doing what he was doing, even allen said those lunches are not going to happen again)

My point is it is my opinion that the skins FO is frustrated and disappointed with AH for more than just his decision to work out on his own.

just like snyder's meddling, we dont get all the info at once and i imagine efforts are made to not have negative info come out.

we are getting little droplets of info here and there and the bucket is filling fast.

credskins -well put on that post a page or so back.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I agree...... and all this bashing Haynesworth started after Shanahan came aboard and voiced his displeasure about him not being here for voluntary work. There was not a single thread condemning Haynesworth between the end of last season and the time Shanahan came to Washington, and even he has not exactly walked on water just yet.

Haynesworth's not being here now is more an indictment against the team's poorly run training program last year which only a few want to talk about, and which prompted him to plan another option before the general arrived that he felt was going to help him better his performance.

I would challenge anyone to show documentation (video) or a statement coming from the mouth of Haynesworth where he actually stated he wanted to be traded, or where he didn't want to play the N/T position in a 3-4 defensive alignment. I heard him state his preference, nothing more or less. Mind you, I'm not talking about what somebody said or what has been widely reported in the media. Much of the negative reporting surrounding Haynesworth has proven to be pure conjecture, based on mindless premature judgement and speculation.

All Haynesworth has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, because he feels that he'd be more useful and effective. However, he has also said that he'd play whatever the coaches tell him to play.

[redskins121684]

Yeah Haynesworth may very well want to be traded but his actions right now don't warrant the kind of blow back that he's getting. I understand it's a new system it's important for him to be here, he's the only player who isn't but last season this guy bought into everything the coaching staff and trainers were selling, he did the OTA's he did the offseason conditioning program he took everything Zorn's staff was selling. What did he end up doing?

He was out of shape, under utilized when he was on the field and injured (possibly b/c Zorn's staff was clueless when it came to conditioning these guys). I don't question his desire to go with what he knows will work for him and that is training with his guys. I realize this is a new staff and Wright is the new conditioning guy but bottom line is there are some familiar faces on that training staff and Haynesworth may not be thrilled about working with them and if he stays in Tennessee and gets into great shape and comes in here and plays like the player he has shown that he can be then the speculation and the criticisms are for nothing.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

All his offseason behavior? What is he doing besides working out on his own?

-dissing donovan mcnabb, phillip daniels, and other players who have reached out to him.
-telling close associates that he wants to play for minnesota
- leaking that the only requirement he had when he was a free agent that his agent only negotiate with 4-3 teams
-privately turning his nose up at the idea of playing in the 3-4 while pubically saying he'll do whatever he's asked to do (except show up at minicamps and OTAs of course)

Also, i question whether he is really training "hard" on his own. Haynesworth has only "dominated" in contract years and this is playing in a system that let him do pretty much whatever he wanted to do. now, why on earth would a guy whose actions show he's primarily concerned about money, train really hard to be in great shape to play in a defense he hates? He just got a huge check and, at this point, haynesworth's best shot at getting more future cash will come from another team. given everything i've read about Haynesworth, he'll give a half-assed effort (at best) if hes playing in washington in 2010. he simply has no motivation (from his POV) to do anything else.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

All Haynesworth has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, because he feels that he'd be more useful and effective. However, he has also said that he'd play whatever the coaches tell him to play.

and george bush said there were WMDs in iraq. only fools beleive everything public figures say at face value. the vast majority of people will lie if its to their strategic advantage, especially when the stakes are high. haynesworth would be saying exactly what he's saying whether he wants to play in the 3-4 or whether he wants out of town.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

and george bush said there were WMDs in iraq. only fools beleive everything public figures say at face value. the vast majority of people will lie if its to their strategic advantage, especially when the stakes are high. haynesworth would be saying exactly what he's saying whether he wants to play in the 3-4 or whether he wants out of town.

One should also not get too carried away with hearsay and rumors. A lot of assuming is going on when it comes to the AH situation.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

well, as a great cartoon once said, theres more than meets the eye.

while right now AH's biggest indictment is his decision to work out on his own, i did read a wash po article yesterday where it talked about how at a practice towards last seasons end AH stopped practicing b/c he said he had a hurt ankle. other players said that same day they were practicing with torn tendons and 3 cracked ribs.

those kind of things add up.

and he was dismissed from team practice last year for showing up late. i wonder how much the decision to send AH home that day was due to isolated incident of being late or the teams culmination of frustration with his perceived laziness and lack of dedication throughout that year.

last year SS you said there was no proof that snyder was meddling and that you know he is not. then it comes out that snyder was meeting with the HC every friday before games and having weekly lunchs with AH. (i dont not want to rehas a DS argument here, he has by all accounts stopped doing what he was doing, even allen said those lunches are not going to happen again)

My point is it is my opinion that the skins FO is frustrated and disappointed with AH for more than just his decision to work out on his own.

just like snyder's meddling, we dont get all the info at once and i imagine efforts are made to not have negative info come out.

we are getting little droplets of info here and there and the bucket is filling fast.

credskins -well put on that post a page or so back.

just another example of why we can't take the reports we hear at face value. whether its "pro-" or "anti-haynesworth." with an isolated incident, it makese sense to give someone the benefit of the doubt and believe what they say. however, when a person is saying one thing, but it doesn't fit the overall picture, you have to question what you hear. its entirely possible that Haynesworth is truly happy and excited about the 3-4, is ready to do whatever the coaches ask, and is staying in tennessee because he wants to be with his family and his personal trainer told him his entire offseason of work would be ruined by attending a 3-day minicamp. yeah. uh-huh.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by redskins121684

Yeah Haynesworth may very well want to be traded but his actions right now don't warrant the kind of blow back that he's getting. I understand it's a new system it's important for him to be here, he's the only player who isn't but last season this guy bought into everything the coaching staff and trainers were selling, he did the OTA's he did the offseason conditioning program he took everything Zorn's staff was selling. What did he end up doing?

He was out of shape, under utilized when he was on the field and injured (possibly b/c Zorn's staff was clueless when it came to conditioning these guys). I don't question his desire to go with what he knows will work for him and that is training with his guys. I realize this is a new staff and Wright is the new conditioning guy but bottom line is there are some familiar faces on that training staff and Haynesworth may not be thrilled about working with them and if he stays in Tennessee and gets into great shape and comes in here and plays like the player he has shown that he can be then the speculation and the criticisms are for nothing.

Welcome! to TWP.........You definitely have the right idea, admire your optimism.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

and george bush said there were WMDs in iraq. only fools beleive everything public figures say at face value. the vast majority of people will lie if its to their strategic advantage, especially when the stakes are high. haynesworth would be saying exactly what he's saying whether he wants to play in the 3-4 or whether he wants out of town.

Both sides are unreliable period. I just tend to stick with has been said by Haynesworth and Shanahan regarding this situation, unless something else comes out from either of these two sources. In the end, Mike Florio and Jason LaCanfora and anybody else out there that you are following word by word are just secondary sources.

Unless Haynesworth comes out and says that he wants to be traded or Shanahan says that they want to trade Haynesworth, all you are doing is speculating just like these other guys. While I don't agree with Haynesworth's actions, unlike you, I don't think this is all a big deal.