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[skinsfaninok]

I've said it before and I'll say it again Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history

#Hail to the Redskins

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I've said it before and I'll say it again Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history

#Hail to the Redskins

Still belongs to Peyton Manning.


Colts without Manning end up with the #1 pick.


Patriots without Brady still ended up 11-5.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Still belongs to Peyton Manning.


Colts without Manning end up with the #1 pick.


Patriots without Brady still ended up 11-5.

As much as It pains me to say it neither of them are better than Montana. Joe would of had 6 superbowls if it weren't for Jim Burt(the hit that finished him in SF) and Roger Craig(fumbling the ball when they're running out the clock to go to their 3rd straight superbowl). Manning and Brady are better pure passers, but no one played better in the big games than # 16. If there was 2 minute left on the clock, and I could pick any QB, I'd pick Montana. I've seen both Brady and Peyton completely fold and throw INT's in critical playoff moments. Joe has never done anything remotely close.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

but no one played better in the big games than # 16. If there was 2 minute left on the clock, and I could pick any QB, I'd pick Montana. I've seen both Brady and Peyton completely fold and throw INT's in critical playoff moments. Joe has never done anything remotely close.

I will agree with you 100% on this. I would also pick Montana if I had 2 mins on the clock and needed a TD to win.

In fact, those last 3 mins today in the San Fran game gave me flashbacks of Montana in the Super Bowl against Cincinnati.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Still belongs to Peyton Manning.


Colts without Manning end up with the #1 pick.


Patriots without Brady still ended up 11-5.

Patriots can't be faulted for having a proper backup in place, where as the Colt's obviously never gave thought to the possibilty of life without Manning until it was already upon them. Plus everyone wants to talk about the defenses of both the Colts and Patriots, I'm sorry other than a couple players they could be almost exact clones of each other on how inconsistent they've been over the years. And finally, look at the weapons each team supplied the 2 qbs. Manning has had Harrison (future HOFer), Wayne (future HOFer), Clark (future HOFer), Stoakley, Garcion, Pollard & Collie. Brady has only had Moss (future HOFer for 3 seasons), Welker (best slot reciever in the game currently but I'm not sure if he's a HOFer right now), and then of course the last 2 years Gronk & Hernandez. But also lost in that is the fact Brady has done what he's done year in and year out with a minimal running game at best. Manning had James in his backfield putting up over 1200 yards rushing 6 out of 8 seasons for the Colts where as the last 11 years have seen the Patriots only have that happen once with Corey Dillion doing that in 2004.

Hands down for me Brady has done more with less his entire career and is the best qb of all time.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

Hands down for me Brady has done more with less his entire career and is the best qb of all time.

Absolutely no way. Again, let's look at the defenses. Having a top 5 defense compared to having a bottom 5 defense. It's not even REMOTELY in the same ball park.

Again. The cold hard facts that the Patriots go 11-5 WITHOUT Brady solidifies my argument and pretty much makes yours invalid. The fact the Colts go from a 10-6 playoff team to the #1 draft pick in the NFL also backs up that case.


Hey guys, I guess Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QBs than Dan Marino!!! That's pretty much the type of argument you are using.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Absolutely no way. Again, let's look at the defenses. Having a top 5 defense compared to having a bottom 5 defense. It's not even REMOTELY in the same ball park.

Again. The cold hard facts that the Patriots go 11-5 WITHOUT Brady solidifies my argument and pretty much makes yours invalid. The fact the Colts go from a 10-6 playoff team to the #1 draft pick in the NFL also backs up that case.


Hey guys, I guess Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QBs than Dan Marino!!! That's pretty much the type of argument you are using.

Yeah, but they went 18-1 the year before with Brady, and he set the single season record for TDs with 50 (breaking Manning's record). If it weren't for mind boggling drops by Brady's receivers, Manning wouldn't even have a ring. He put his team ahead with 2 minutes to go against the Giants in the Super Bowl, and it took one of the biggest circus plays of all time for the Giants to win that game. Brady is clutch while Manning spends 30 seconds each play trying to figure out how he's going to outsmart the Defense, which in the playoffs, has backfired for him. One of his teammates who was not an idiot Kicker even said so.

Brady = Montana
Manning = Marino

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Absolutely no way. Again, let's look at the defenses. Having a top 5 defense compared to having a bottom 5 defense. It's not even REMOTELY in the same ball park.

Again. The cold hard facts that the Patriots go 11-5 WITHOUT Brady solidifies my argument and pretty much makes yours invalid. The fact the Colts go from a 10-6 playoff team to the #1 draft pick in the NFL also backs up that case.


Hey guys, I guess Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson are better QBs than Dan Marino!!! That's pretty much the type of argument you are using.

Actually going back to the Patriots first SB under Brady in 2001 here's how the teams actually compare defense wise:
Patriots: 24th*, 23rd, 7th*, 9th*, 26th, 4th*, 6th, 10th, 11th, 25th, & 31st
Colts: 29th, 8th, 11th, 29th, 11th, 21st*, 3rd, 11th, 18th, 20th, & 25th

As you can see the only time in the last 11 years the Patriots were an actual top 5 defense like u keep harping on, was when they lost to the Giants in SB XLII.

Just the fact you're trying to compare, even if only sarcasticly, what Brady has done to the likes of Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson is a joke and IMO invalidates any argument you could even begin to piece together haha. Those 2 won rings 100% because of their defenses in the years the Bucs and Ravens won and sometimes in spite of their play(Bucs #1 def vs 24th off & Ravens #2 def vs 16th off) Whereas the 3 Superbowl championships of the Patriots just don't happen without Brady at the helm as 2 of them required him to lead them on game winning drives.

Also what happened with that 11-5 Patriots team when Brady went down? Oh that's right they didn't even make the playoffs...

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I've said it before and I'll say it again Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history

#Hail to the Redskins

I would say greatest in NFL today but I wouldn't even say top ten all time. The rules today favor the passing game so much that it is hard to compare different eras. Marino, Montana, Jurgenson, Young, Kelly, Stabler, Bradshaw, Baugh and others could all get over 5,000 yards every season today. Especially throwing underneath to Welker and Gronkowski and then watching them add 50 yac.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I would say greatest in NFL today but I wouldn't even say top ten all time. The rules today favor the passing game so much that it is hard to compare different eras. Marino, Montana, Jurgenson, Young, Kelly, Stabler, Bradshaw, Baugh and others could all get over 5,000 yards every season today. Especially throwing underneath to Welker and Gronkowski and then watching them add 50 yac.

Nuts. He won 3 Super Bowls with scrubs at WR. Troy Brown? Welker and Gronkowski just showed up 5 minutes ago, and Welker didn't do jack in Miami. Once you get past the top 4-5 WRs, the next 50 are interchangeable. Hell, Santana Moss has a 1500 yard season. Victor Cruz?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Nuts. He won 3 Super Bowls with scrubs at WR. Troy Brown? Welker and Gronkowski just showed up 5 minutes ago, and Welker didn't do jack in Miami. Once you get past the top 4-5 WRs, the next 50 are interchangeable. Hell, Santana Moss has a 1500 yard season. Victor Cruz?

Troy Brown had a 1200 yard season Tom's first year. If you look at Tom's progression, he didn't hit a QB rating of 90 until 2004. Up until then, the numbers were kind of meh.


Wait, so Welker sucked in Miami but now is beastly? So are you saying he's a scrub and only good because of Brady? In the same breath, you say Manning had all this talent....lol He's also been with the Pats since 2007 so it's been longer than 5 minutes.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I've said it before and I'll say it again Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history

Nope,why becuase ..it's a different ere.Serously my head is hurting from this discussion.Montana,Young,Marino,Simms,Dan Fouts...etc. all played when you had to take a hit ,not flagg football like now.Yes the records are dropping becuase very few teams are running like they did in the 90's or 80's or even the 70's.
Is Peyton great ,is Tom great....is Drew great....answer is yes,but of all time ,no.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Still belongs to Peyton Manning.


Colts without Manning end up with the #1 pick.


Patriots without Brady still ended up 11-5.

Different teams pats were loaded that year colts are not

#Hail to the Redskins

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Different teams pats were loaded that year colts are not

#Hail to the Redskins

If you switched Brady and Manning. He would have just as many Super Bowl rings if not more.

Brady on the other hand would be lucky to have that one.


Colt's defense has always been the reason they never made any noise in the playoffs. You can't say the Patriots were stacked that year, because they were the same team the year prior and the year after. In fact, they went 10-6 the year he came back. I think you give Brady too much credit for some of those wins. In fact, I do believe Vinateri was responsible for winning 2 of those Super Bowls himself. (even in the prior playoff games)

There has never been a QB in the NFL on the level of Manning. I've never seen a QB in my life dissect defenses the way this guy has. Mind you, I've seen guys like Terry Bradshaw to Joe Montana play.

I'd say Montana is a better QB than Brady.

[NC_Skins]

At this point, the best outcome for Tebow would be the Rapture.