Supreme Court Upholds Health Care Mandate

[12thMan]

Sammy, you do understand that the Court said Obamacare must fall under the taxing authority of Congress, it did not explicitly state that it was a tax. There's a difference.

There is nothing mutually incompatible about the terms "fee", "penalty" and "tax". Is it a tax. Yes. Is it a penalty? Sure. Is it a fee? Absolutely. It is a cliche of political economics that when governments want to encourage something, they subsidize it; if they want to discourage something they tax it. There is no contradiction there.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Sammy, you do understand that the Court said Obamacare must fall under the taxing authority of Congress, it did not explicitly state that it was a tax. There's a difference.

There is nothing mutually incompatible about the terms "fee", "penalty" and "tax". Is it a tax. Yes. Is it a penalty? Sure. Is it a fee? Absolutely. It is a cliche of political economics that when governments want to encourage something, they subsidize it; if they want to discourage something they tax it. There is no contradiction there.

I'm pretty sure Roberts said it was a tax hence his support. This whole finessing of the English language is truly absurd...any money collected by the government is by nature a tax.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Sammy, you do understand that the Court said Obamacare must fall under the taxing authority of Congress, it did not explicitly state that it was a tax. There's a difference.

There is nothing mutually incompatible about the terms "fee", "penalty" and "tax". Is it a tax. Yes. Is it a penalty? Sure. Is it a fee? Absolutely. It is a cliche of political economics that when governments want to encourage something, they subsidize it; if they want to discourage something they tax it. There is no contradiction there.

You're very "on message" here, good job. Point is the fed gov't should be encouraging/discouraging behavior a lot less.

I couldn't care less if it's a penalty/tax/fee, ultimately the fed is taking money from me...and yes I completely get that they have the constitutional right to do so. I don't agree so I certainly will be voting for and advocating for those in elected office who will do less encouraging/discouraging (taxing).

My main point was, the Commerce Clause argument is a victory for limiting the feds powers vs. the states.

[That Guy]

as far as that facebook post... historically, when christianity was starting out, they had a MUCH higher life expectancy than non christians (like 10+ years more) because they took care of their sick, which just wasn't the norm.

[saden1]

Yes 12thMan, unemployment is an all time high, government spending is an all time high and all the government does is spend spend spend unless a true conservative like Ronald Reagan is elected. As for the taxes, they always seem to go up and there is no reason to doubt they won't go up under the uber liberal Obama. Sure they are low now thanks to Bush but what about tomorrow when Obama becomes our overseer for the next 4 years? Surely they will punitively go up on all Americans.

Open your eyes man, we are dealing with a fella who hates America as our president!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by saden1

Yes 12thMan, unemployment is an all time high, government spending is an all time high and all the government does is spend spend spend unless a true conservative like Ronald Reagan is elected. As for the taxes, they always seem to go up and there is no reason to doubt they won't go up under the uber liberal Obama. Sure they are low now thanks to Bush but what about tomorrow when Obama becomes our overseer for the next 4 years? Surely they will punitively go up on all Americans.

Open your eyes man, we are dealing with a fella who hates America as our president!

plus he's muslim

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by saden1

Yes 12thMan, unemployment is an all time high, government spending is an all time high and all the government does is spend spend spend unless a true conservative like Ronald Reagan is elected. As for the taxes, they always seem to go up and there is no reason to doubt they won't go up under the uber liberal Obama. Sure they are low now thanks to Bush but what about tomorrow when Obama becomes our overseer for the next 4 years? Surely they will punitively go up on all Americans.

Open your eyes man, we are dealing with a fella who hates America as our president!

Speaking of Reagan, I suggest many conservatives to check out this article by one of Ronald Reagan's leading men in office. (David Stockman, President Ronald Reagan's director of the Office of Management and Budget) I don't want to hear about "liberal media" blah blah blah.... This is a straight up conservative from Reagan's administration calling the GOP on their idiocy. Yes I know it's a 2010 article.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/op...pagewanted=all


Sad thing is, even older GOP guys know the current GOP has ran this country into the ground.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by saden1

Open your eyes man, we are dealing with a fella who hates America as our president!

ok ,I get it you don't like the man but this is BS.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

ok ,I get it you don't like the man but this is BS.

He's being sarcastic if you couldn't tell.

[NC_Skins]

Senate theatrics over taxes - POLITICO.com

Here you go fellow GOPers. Your boys in the Senate denying tax cuts for small businesses unless the Democrats extend Bush's tax cuts for the rich again...



Tell me again how it's Obama's fault? (I say this partly in jest)

[NC_Skins]

Some more lulz. (and irony) Almost hilarious (yet saddening) to watch people vote against their own best interest all to tow the party line.




Benefit me? This can't be!! The GOP said it wouldn't!! SO did Fox News!!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Some more lulz. (and irony) Almost hilarious (yet saddening) to watch people vote against their own best interest all to tow the party line.




Benefit me? This can't be!! The GOP said it wouldn't!! SO did Fox News!!

Hopefully their governors will follow in Rick Perry's footsteps and opt-out. I doubt they will be sincere though. Much like they did with the stimulus they will tell their incompetent base one thing while writing letters to the administration behind the scenes that reads like the pleas of Kolkata street beggars.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Some more lulz. (and irony) Almost hilarious (yet saddening) to watch people vote against their own best interest all to tow the party line.




Benefit me? This can't be!! The GOP said it wouldn't!! SO did Fox News!!

That's the problem now days people just look at how something benefits them and they don't care that other have to pay for it.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

He's being sarcastic if you couldn't tell.

....nope,don't know how I missed it.

[firstdown]

"Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured....but not everyone must prove they are a citizen."