Secondary a Primary Concern

[HailGreen28]

Our secondary still sucks.

Hall gambles too much, Wilson is average. Our depth looks bad.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Our secondary still sucks.

Hall gambles too much, Wilson is average. Our depth looks bad.

I think our secondary will still be better than it was last year. Thought Wilson and Tarnard Jax played great today. D Hall wasnt bad either...Crawford, Gomes are young and shown some promise.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think our secondary will still be better than it was last year. Thought Wilson and Tarnard Jax played great today. D Hall wasnt bad either...Crawford, Gomes are young and shown some promise.

Hope you're right. Hail!

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think our secondary will still be better than it was last year. Thought Wilson and Tarnard Jax played great today. D Hall wasnt bad either...Crawford, Gomes are young and shown some promise.

Thought Jackson had a good game and maybe the best safety play we have seen all preseason. The nickel corner concerns me and so does the safety position. Can Jax play the free spot with BM playing SS?

Williams and Griffin I think we can all agree are liabilities on the field.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Thought Jackson had a good game and maybe the best safety play we have seen all preseason. The nickel corner concerns me and so does the safety position. Can Jax play the free spot with BM playing SS?

Williams and Griffin I think we can all agree are liabilities on the field.

yeah, Jax at fs and BM at SS I think will be the starting safeties vs NO.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Polamalu.....

Yes

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yes

And actually there are some old school safeties that are rated still as the greatest of all time. Problem with every greatest poll is people vote according to what they have seen in their lifetime. Even 80 greatest redskins. I love lavar but please. Over our long history he is not one of the 80 greatest.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

And actually there are some old school safeties that are rated still as the greatest of all time. Problem with every greatest poll is people vote according to what they have seen in their lifetime. Even 80 greatest redskins. I love lavar but please. Over our long history he is not one of the 80 greatest.

I agree I'm only 25 so I'm still a young pup when it comes to greatest players but I def respect the history

[rbanerjee23]

I'm not surprised -- Shanahan has been a huge disappointment as a coach (11W 21L, two straight last place finishes in the NFC East, and 0-3 on QBs not counting RG3). Aside from Trent Williams he has done nothing for the OL, not developed a decent run game, and has a secondary that was shredded by Jay Cutler and Andrew Luck in back to back games.

This is venting to some extent but the Redskins finished 12th in the league in Passing yards allowed and 13th in overall defense. Not spectacular but pretty decent for an otherwise shitty team -- so of course he took one of the few strengths and made it a glaring weakness.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I'm not surprised -- Shanahan has been a huge disappointment as a coach (11W 21L, two straight last place finishes in the NFC East, and 0-3 on QBs not counting RG3). Aside from Trent Williams he has done nothing for the OL, not developed a decent run game, and has a secondary that was shredded by Jay Cutler and Andrew Luck in back to back games.

This is venting to some extent but the Redskins finished 12th in the league in Passing yards allowed and 13th in overall defense. Not spectacular but pretty decent for an otherwise shitty team -- so of course he took one of the few strengths and made it a glaring weakness.

I beg to differ, even if it is a little homerish.

His predecessors Zorn and Vinny, inherited a team that was built by Gibbs, breakeven W/L but was making the playoffs every other year. Shanny inherited a team built by Vinny, a team that fell apart halfway thru year 1 and never recovered the next year like Gibbs' teams did.

Shanny dumped Jason Campbell and Stephon Heyer. That's two pretty good upgrades bringing in anyone decent. I think Luck did worse against our secondary than others (due to our pass rush, sure).

But the biggest problem with our secondary getting worse was Carlos getting an attitude and leaving and Springs/Smoot getting old. Shanny's trying to upgrade those positions but he's rightfully concentrating on our lines more. We've had a lot more draft picks and transition on OL than Vinny, for a new ZBS that takes time. And look at our front on D.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I'm not surprised -- Shanahan has been a huge disappointment as a coach (11W 21L, two straight last place finishes in the NFC East, and 0-3 on QBs not counting RG3). Aside from Trent Williams he has done nothing for the OL, not developed a decent run game, and has a secondary that was shredded by Jay Cutler and Andrew Luck in back to back games.

This is venting to some extent but the Redskins finished 12th in the league in Passing yards allowed and 13th in overall defense. Not spectacular but pretty decent for an otherwise shitty team -- so of course he took one of the few strengths and made it a glaring weakness.

Wow.

Look, sometimes with fans the optimism overlooks reality -- but after reading this post, it's clear you got up on the wrong side of the bed. I just hope you remember this post next year when we're competing deep in the playoffs.

1) Records mean nothing, we were rebuilding the past two years. Honestly I'm glad we finished poorly last year -- to grab RG3. Evaluating Shanahan will only come in 2 years --> if RG3 succeeds, we will be good for 10-15 years.

2) Our O-line was one of the oldest in the league, you can't replace it overnight & convert to a zone blocking scheme. I think I saw a stat that we've drafted the most O-linemen over the past 2-3 years. Still deficient but I think they'll surprise this year if healthy. Last game Morris ran for 100 yards & RG3 had no sacks -- against a poor D, but hard to complain. Our depth seems stronger than in past. Remember Rhinehart? Heyer?

3) Yes, our secondary sucks, Cutler killed us and Luck exposed us. We will likely struggle in pass D this year. Raheem Morris could help, but I hope we can pick up a shut down corner to a back loaded contract next year and draft young talent. Talib could be a high risk-high reward acquisition. If Crawford & Chase have as much talent as hype they'll help as well as depth.


Honestly, we're not there yet, but with RG3 I think for the first time over the past 15-20 years, I have real hope for the future. Hope he proves my trust in him.

[IrMitchell]

Remember when Shanny had no choice but to roster Joey Galloway? Or when Lorenzo Alexander had to start? Or when our offensive line was full of aging broken down vets?

Shanny hasn't only created depth at every position (outside of the corners), he's managed to bring in one of the better QB prospects we've ever seen. It's refreshing to see a slow and methodical approach from our GM/Coach.

[SmootSmack]

Some posts are so moronic they don't deserve any response...and I think we have a winner in this thread

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Some posts are so moronic they don't deserve any response...and I think we have a winner in this thread

I think that's unfair, and kinda lame from a moderator if I may be so bold.

Much of the post was simple and undeniable fact e.g. Mike has produced two last place finishes, and that is the bottom line in pro football, winning.

We all hope this is the year things turnaround.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think that's unfair, and kinda lame from a moderator if I may be so bold.

Much of the post was simple and undeniable fact e.g. Mike has produced two last place finishes, and that is the bottom line in pro football, winning.

We all hope this is the year things turnaround.

Well this is a thread about the secondary, so I'm not sure why the inaccurate bashing of the oline (even the running game) was necessary.

Am I suppose to commend all posts because I'm a moderator?