Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Sign me up for the moron parade too

There's probably more morons here than non-morons. (I'm one too)

I understand the anxiety though. I just don't think anyone could do better with what we have right now.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

And do what, start over AGAIN?

Yes. According to the guide of overreacting, we are currently entering the cycle where win or lose we need to be debating whether to fire our head coach on the spot for not turning this team into an elite competitor by the third year of his regime. Once this average season plays out it will reach a fevered pitch, where it will continue until he gets fired and then the cycle starts over. Wash, rinse, repeat.

/yes I'm on the moron brigade.

[SkinzzFan]

Funny, during the offseason most of the complaints are "we need continuity, don't fire the coach every couple of years". Then RGIII gives us hope because he's the truth so we automatically think we're bonafide contenders. Next reality hits when we face a team who is clearly superior, and on their home turf where they have an actual advantage. Now we need to blow the entire thing up and start over again because the coaching staff/front office can't get it done. Does anyone remember the team this staff inherited from Vin-Zorn-ity? Come on man, this isn't an overnight fix...it's a process that requires patience. We're a season of development for our young guys and at least an offseason away from playoff contention. Shanny clearly understands this (thus the 5 year plan). For those who think his drafts haven't been productive, I ask you to compare his draft results to the 15 years previous to him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I happen to agree with the mid season crap but nobody wants to admit that the receivers that cant catch and the D that absolutely stinks is on Shanny. - he drafted and architected this team? I mean I really started to buy into the - we need a couple good secondary players and we are gonna be world beaters but the bottom line is we need
WR's - moss is gone , morgan is ehh , Robinson and Hank are totally up in the air and Garcon is hurt and who knows with that injury?
RT and O- line depth -
Defensive depth across the board
Punter
That is alot of needs still before we can play with the big boys.
Im not sure with the cap hit and lack of first round picks that is going to be possible over a two year period?


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Before today I think we had 6 drops all year.

Can't just take the results of one game and draw sweeping conclusions from it. Yes they had a bad day, but at this point I'll chalk it up to being a fluke. Even Moss who was being talked up by some as being our best WR had a crappy day.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

2010 draft was missing a lot of picks and they got a couple good players. Last year was Kerrigan, Helu, royster, hank, and we will see how Jenkins turns out. This year was pretty good of course. Go back to drafts before he arrived, there is literally nothing except Rak.

Not denying it is better than the past. Christ drafting someone is better than drafting no one. Helu and Royster - jury out i guess. Dont think either will ever make their mark. Dont really care at the moment cus Morris is a beast. Im a U guy so I love Hank - thought he was a steal when we got him - maybe not though. Not a big fan of trading back over and over - id rather have one guy that can contribute than three that cant. Jenkins was injured but his best moments were pre-season number one by far.


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[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Before today I think we had 6 drops all year.

Can't just take the results of one game and draw sweeping conclusions from it. Yes they had a bad day, but at this point I'll chalk it up to being a fluke. Even Moss who was being talked up by some as being our best WR had a crappy day.

We have had two incredibly bad games with regard to basic technique on offense. All those turnovers last week. All those drops today. What is going on?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

We have had two incredibly bad games with regard to basic technique on offense. All those turnovers last week. All those drops today. What is going on?

Got the turnover problem fixed today at least lol

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

Funny, during the offseason most of the complaints are "we need continuity, don't fire the coach every couple of years". Then RGIII gives us hope because he's the truth so we automatically think we're bonafide contenders. Next reality hits when we face a team who is clearly superior, and on their home turf where they have an actual advantage. Now we need to blow the entire thing up and start over again because the coaching staff/front office can't get it done. Does anyone remember the team this staff inherited from Vin-Zorn-ity? Come on man, this isn't an overnight fix...it's a process that requires patience. We're a season of development for our young guys and at least an offseason away from playoff contention. Shanny clearly understands this (thus the 5 year plan). For those who think his drafts haven't been productive, I ask you to compare his draft results to the 15 years previous to him.

If i compare his drafts to years gone by ( outside of RG-3 - even Vinny couldnt have missed on that - rite?) i see alot of quanity and a little quality. In the past we had zero quanity and a little quality. Samuels, lavar, cooley, rak, jansen, etc. We would fill our team with veterans, now we fill them with young guys - but i think alot are misses. There has to be a happy medium between quality and quantity.


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Before today I think we had 6 drops all year.

Can't just take the results of one game and draw sweeping conclusions from it. Yes they had a bad day, but at this point I'll chalk it up to being a fluke. Even Moss who was being talked up by some as being our best WR had a crappy day.

Fair enough and you cant just take one line from my post and draw sweeping conclusions from it. What about the rest?


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Before today I think we had 6 drops all year.

Can't just take the results of one game and draw sweeping conclusions from it. Yes they had a bad day, but at this point I'll chalk it up to being a fluke. Even Moss who was being talked up by some as being our best WR had a crappy day.

Fair enough and you cant just take one line from my post and draw sweeping conclusions from it. The rest is on Shanny too.


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[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Fair enough and you cant just take one line from my post and draw sweeping conclusions from it. What about the rest?


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I didn't draw any conclusions about the rest of your post, I just took issue with that one point.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Bushead

I think Shanahan should have until the end of next year before these questions start happening.

Its more contoversial this way.


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[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Fair enough and you cant just take one line from my post and draw sweeping conclusions from it. The rest is on Shanny too.


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"What we need" as far as players go is subjective to the opinion of every fan, whereas you can pretty much say that 6 drops in 7 games is the opposite of "wr's who can't catch." Hence why it was pretty easy to target that line of your post. If he hadn't called you on it, I probably would've. We had 10 drops in one game today, whereas we had 6 (give or take) in our previous 7 games. That's not indicative of wide receivers that can't catch.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I didn't draw any conclusions about the rest of your post, I just took issue with that one point.

Ok well the receivers are one part of what i feel to be the glaring needs here. I shouldnt have mentioned the drops - more just the lack of productivity. I think Moss is probably done after this year because of his age. Robinson and Hank are total question marks. If God forbid Garcons injury is one that follows him ( not claiming to be a doctor just sayin its possible). That leaves us with very little fire power in that department.
Edit : @ Mooby - totally rite. I know drops arent an issue ( ironically i was the one arguing last week against Miss being a career dropaholic and Hank - well he might be one) but the ability to get open would have been a better choice of words.

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ok well the receivers are one part of what i feel to be the glaring needs here. I shouldnt have mentioned the drops - more just the lack of productivity. I think Moss is probably done after this year because of his age. Robinson and Hank are total question marks. If God forbid Garcons injury is one that follows him ( not claiming to be a doctor just sayin its possible). That leaves us with very little fire power in that department.


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Before today were you thinking the WRs were a "glaring need"?