Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game

[SmootSmack]

I'm not going to do it, and I'm not comparing the players-just the situation. But I suppose we were saying the same things about Ramsey early in his career. "He's only played a few games" "Of course he'll get better"...but he never did

Let's hope Cousins does

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not going to do it, and I'm not comparing the players-just the situation. But I suppose we were saying the same things about Ramsey early in his career. "He's only played a few games" "Of course he'll get better"...but he never did



Let's hope Cousins does

Imo Cousins has already shown so much more than Ramsey ever did. I cannot say I remember his first few starts but I do not ever remember thinking he "had it".

[JoeRedskin]

I dunno, I think the "KC may be the next Rex Grossman" is more likely than "KC is the next Pat Ramsey." Ramsay was never as decisive as KC. Someone, somewhere said, "KC decides where he is going with the ball when he breaks the huddle. That's both his strength and his weakness."

Ramsey, well, he had a kick-ass arm.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I dunno, I think the "KC may be the next Rex Grossman" is more likely than "KC is the next Pat Ramsey." Ramsay was never as decisive as KC. Someone, somewhere said, "KC decides where he is going with the ball when he breaks the huddle. That's both his strength and his weakness."

Ramsey, well, he had a kick-ass arm.

Like I said, not talking about the players. Talking about the situation. My point is some people just don't get better. Will Cousins? I don't know. I sure hope so. But it's naive to just assume he will, which I think is what a lot of people here are doing

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Like I said, not talking about the players. Talking about the situation. My point is some people just don't get better. Will Cousins? I don't know. I sure hope so. But it's naive to just assume he will, which I think is what a lot of people here are doing

Exactly. When I say I am "afraid that is what he is" I mean this. What we saw yesterday matched what he was in college...he hasn't gotten better since then. For sure he can probably be a solid QB in the league. But I don't want Grossman/Schaub/Palmer. I want a guy who carries the team when needed. We'll see. I sincerely hope he can be that. We should be happy to deal with the controversy crap involving Robert when he comes back if it means Kirk has turned the corner and is growing beyond what we saw yesterday.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Like I said, not talking about the players. Talking about the situation. My point is some people just don't get better. Will Cousins? I don't know. I sure hope so. But it's naive to just assume he will, which I think is what a lot of people here are doing

Gotcha. I don't know either. I am certainly not making any assumptions about either at this point. My hope is that RGIII comes back and shows he has grown. I would imagine that when RGIII is ready to come back, we will have a better understanding of whether KC can improve on his game's weaknesses. In the end, if we have to gamble on one breaking out of old bad habits, I would prefer to gamble on RGIII. His ceiling is just soooo much higher than KC''s.

Actually, take that back, I am ready - right here, right now - to give KC a pass, sign him to huge, crippling Tony Romo like contract, and trade RGIII for a 7th rounder and a new third string groundskeeper. 'Cause you know, RGIII is just a bad QB and Kirk "white bread" Cousins is how I roll - me and Heath Evans.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Like I said, not talking about the players. Talking about the situation. My point is some people just don't get better. Will Cousins? I don't know. I sure hope so. But it's naive to just assume he will, which I think is what a lot of people here are doing

It's just as naive to assume he won't. It's more rare for guys to peak in their first few starts. There are far more examples of guys getting better with experience than vice versa. Being encouraged by his performance is a reasonable reaction to what he's done the last 2 weeks.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

It's just as naive to assume he won't. It's more rare for guys to peak in their first few starts. There are far more examples of guys getting better with experience than vice versa. Being encouraged by his performance is a reasonable reaction to what he's done the last 2 weeks.

I don't know that there are FAR more examples. But I take it you think I'm rooting against him, so it is what it is.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Being encouraged by his performance is a reasonable reaction to what he's done the last 2 weeks.

Agreed 100% with this sentence.

What is additionally reasonable is to try and be rational about the mistakes he made and how fundamental a few were and how important they ended up being. Lots of people are not being honest about that.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

It's just as naive to assume he won't. It's more rare for guys to peak in their first few starts. There are far more examples of guys getting better with experience than vice versa. Being encouraged by his performance is a reasonable reaction to what he's done the last 2 weeks.

I disagree. The NFL has had far more people that never reach the next level, just look at the length of the average NFL career. Some of that has to do with injuries, much of it has to do with individuals not having the skill set or mental aptitude for the game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I disagree. The NFL has had far more people that never reach the next level, just look at the length of the average NFL career. Some of that has to do with injuries, much of it has to do with individuals not having the skill set or mental aptitude for the game.

Of course injuries can happen. I think what Deezel was saying is that based on KC's first few games as a starter, that it is more reasonable to expect him to flourish than to wilt. Not impossible for him not to pan out of course but based on the sample we have seen all signs point to yes. Atleast thats what my magic 8-ball says.

[Chico23231]

Well to put our QB situation in context go around the league and look at the trash we almost got: Jake Locker = still looks lost, best oline in the league, cant stay healthy, resembles a garbage can in the pocket. Ponder = 3rd string piece of sh*t, fooled a bunch of dumbass scouts. Tannehill = on the verge of losing his job, cant put it together, his numbers are terrible. Sam "Body cast" Bradford = not great when he played, more qualified to be a doctor than a qb

Those effing teams would poison their own QB to have Cousins or RG3

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well to put our QB situation in context go around the league and look at the trash we almost got: Jake Locker = still looks lost, best oline in the league, cant stay healthy, resembles a garbage can in the pocket. Ponder = 3rd string piece of sh*t, fooled a bunch of dumbass scouts. Tannehill = on the verge of losing his job, cant put it together, his numbers are terrible. Sam "Body cast" Bradford = not great when he played, more qualified to be a doctor than a qb

Those effing teams would poison their own QB to have Cousins or RG3

Poison hahahaha

[JWsleep]

The iggles put up 37 points on us. Tough for any QB to win in that situation. And few teams can spot opponents 10 points because of ST gaffs and win.

I'm much less worried about the offense if they can put up 34 with an inexperienced backup on the road. And I don't think the iggles ever really stopped the O as much as a few missed passes/WR reads stopped the O. We'll find out about KC/RGIII in the long run.

But we're gonna need more bodies on D, especially in the secondary. We don't seem to have anyone capable of playing free safety, a crucial spot in the Pitt style D we play. We are very inexperienced/weak and corner now. And Ryan Clark, who I really like so far, is near the end of his career. I think this won't get fixed this year--but it's obviously a priority in FA/draft next year. So this means were going to continue to give up big pass plays to good teams, teams who can keep our much-improved front 7 off the QB. Get used to it: we were 3-13 last year; getting to 6-10/7-9 is a VERY big improvement, though I think we might see it. But getting beyond that requires a secondary.

I like Gruden's offense so far, and it was great to see DJax getting his moment there. Too bad we couldn't pull it out. Niles Paul was good again. Loved to see the big plays--nice screen to Helu. We put some hits on Foles but he stood tall and we never got that crucial INT. Great strip fumble, though. Fun game to watch as a football fan. Tough to lose, as a Redskins fan. F*** Philly.

Too bad about the short week, but we NEED this next one. Unfortunately, the half-assed Texans gave the gints new life there. They ran the ball well, pressured the QB, etc. Still, they are eminently beatable. Please skins, don't s*** the bed on Thursday!!!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Too bad about the short week, but we NEED this next one. Unfortunately, the half-assed Texans gave the gints new life there. They ran the ball well, pressured the QB, etc. Still, they are eminently beatable. Please skins, don't s*** the bed on Thursday!!!

I'm actually glad the Giants got their "W" yesterday. As sorry as they've been so far in the season, I would not have wanted to play them while they were in desperate mode. Hopefully they'll still have a hangover from their big win.