Josh Norman CB is a Redskin

[mredskins]

My post was a joke. You know AH a fat pig might like bologna more then Josh

[JoeRedskin]

I think it means they thought they could lock up an all-pro corner at market value for the 2-3 years we hope he will be in his prime while continuing to build.

I don't think SM looks at things in such a short term as "We are going to win in the next 2-3 years and, if not, do a roster burn b/c the window will have closed on this lot." My impression is that he is building for a consistent winner and Josh Norman is a piece to that puzzle. I really don't think Norman's contract is going to stop us from continuing with SM's build model. If we don't end up winning it all with Norman in the next 2-3 years, then Fuller steps in and, having had time to develop, covers that piece of the puzzle.

Norman was a solid addition that makes us better and doesn't cripple our chances to continue improving the roster. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think it means they thought they could lock up an all-pro corner at market value for the 2-3 years we hope he will be in his prime while continuing to build.

I don't think SM looks at things in such a short term as "We are going to win in the next 2-3 years and, if not, do a roster burn b/c the window will have closed on this lot." My impression is that he is building for a consistent winner and Josh Norman is a piece to that puzzle. I really don't think Norman's contract is going to stop us from continuing with SM's build model. If we don't end up winning it all with Norman in the next 2-3 years, then Fuller steps in and, having had time to develop, covers that piece of the puzzle.

Norman was a solid addition that makes us better and doesn't cripple our chances to continue improving the roster. Nothing more, nothing less.

What Joe said.

[Schneed10]

Yeah, valuable perspective, thank you.

There's a tendency for some to say 'well if the Panthers only wanted to pay $11M why should we pay $15M'? This post gets to simple differences in philosophy and fit. It's not that Norman isn't elite, the Panthers simply prefer to put their resources into the front seven.

Can't say that's a bad move, that's how the Giants won two Super Bowls. McLoughan wants to ramp up the pressure on the passer too, but he clearly believes in ball hawking secondaries, being involved with Seattle's Legion of Boom. It's OK to do things differently from other teams. Just because Carolina didn't pay him $15M doesn't mean he isn't worth it to us.

I'm excited to see how Galette and Norman impact the defense in tandem. Some serious intensity, ferocity and swagger with those guys. It will be welcome.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'm excited to see how Galette and Norman impact the defense in tandem. Some serious intensity, ferocity and swagger with those guys. It will be welcome.

I cling to my belief that the better defenses have Pro Bowl caliber stars at each level. Now we have Josh. Can Galette be that good this season? Possibly. If so, then we're a star Interior DL and, possibly, a star ILB away from having the anchors at each level to make us a great defense. As I said, it's just my own belief based on many years as an NFL observer and fan.

[RedskinJake]

I think it's important for some to recognize that Scot has a plan to build through the draft but that leaves a lot of mad money on the table when a guy like Josh Norman suddenly becomes available. They weren't out looking for a Josh Norman, he landed in their lap and they had the cash available so why not. Even if he doesn't excel in this defense, he has more upside than Culliver so it just makes sense to go ahead and do it, it doesn't get in the way of the long term plan so go for it..

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by RedskinJake

I think it's important for some to recognize that Scot has a plan to build through the draft but that leaves a lot of mad money on the table when a guy like Josh Norman suddenly becomes available. They weren't out looking for a Josh Norman, he landed in their lap and they had the cash available so why not. Even if he doesn't excel in this defense, he has more upside than Culliver so it just makes sense to go ahead and do it, it doesn't get in the way of the long term plan so go for it..

Agreed. I like how we're sitting back and waiting for a guy like Norman to come along. But at 15 million a year he needs to excel in order for us to be a better defense.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Agreed. I like how we're sitting back and waiting for a guy like Norman to come along. But at 15 million a year he needs to excel in order for us to be a better defense.

Which CBs on the roster in 2015-16 were better than Norman?

If the answer is none, then our defense just got better

[mredskins]

Remember that Byrd guy from Buffalo. The sure fire top FA that NO got. Pretty sure that guy sucks now, just seems like high profile FAs never work out or rarely

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Remember that Byrd guy from Buffalo. The sure fire top FA that NO got. Pretty sure that guy sucks now, just seems like high profile FAs never work out or rarely

Byrd was hit by injuries and was never the same after them. Buffalo likely knew that may happen and hence why they let him go (or it was just luck). And he hit free agency from day 1 and had leverage in getting a big deal.

Norman's situation is very different from a high-priced FA acquisition, since we didn't acquire him when free agency started (he'd be with the Jags, Raiders, or Giants if he had hit free agency from day 1). He probably is not being paid what he would have commanded on the open market on day 1 of free agency; or at the very least, he would have gotten better terms in a similar contract (his deal with the Redskins is basically a 2-year deal).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Byrd was hit by injuries and was never the same after them. Buffalo likely knew that may happen and hence why they let him go (or it was just luck). And he hit free agency from day 1 and had leverage in getting a big deal.

Norman's situation is very different from a high-priced FA acquisition, since we didn't acquire him when free agency started (he'd be with the Jags, Raiders, or Giants if he had hit free agency from day 1). He probably is not being paid what he would have commanded on the open market on day 1 of free agency; or at the very least, he would have gotten better terms in a similar contract (his deal with the Redskins is basically a 2-year deal).

All true but the fact remains that spending big dollars in free agency rarely works. Even the free agent signings that SM has done haven't worked out. I'm 50/50 on Norman.

[Chico23231]

The fact Carolina FO and to a bigger extent the owner, simply let Norman walk without compensation and under a very acceptable franchise tag amount for the 2016-17 is quite frankly one of the dumbest moves I can remember. This move by Carolina was Albert Haynesworth-stupid....or even worse, Matt Millen roster management-insane.

[That Guy]

if norman doesn't work out we have an out after year 2. it'd be an expensive mistake, but not catastrophic.

[mooby]

Nice fluff piece about how the deal went down, I enjoyed the part where Berry asks him when he'll be back (this is on the Sat after he signed) and he says Monday so he can get to work.

Josh Norman in D.C.: ‘I Can Have It All Here’ | The MMQB with Peter King

[MTK]

Is there a better corner in the division let alone on this team now? I don't think so.