Trouble in Redskins Park?

[dmek25]

first, why is the sky always falling around here? without knowing, the combine is a place to be around the players. probably not a place where decisions on players are made. and secondly, why cant mcglohan being taking care of family matters? these guys world is not the same as mine or yours. just because he is doing things differently then maybe you or i doesnt mean anything. and either way if im the skins i fire cooley ( if they can) if its true it should have never been mentioned. and if its not true why say it?

[CRedskinsRule]

pretty good summation of the SM news. Report: Scot McCloughan no longer running Redskins - CBSSports.com

Russell reported that:

“President Bruce Allen, coach Jay Gruden, scouts Alex Santos and Scott Campbell, and personnel executive Doug Williams are now running the team. Russell also reported Williams has taken on an ‘increased role’ in the organization, likely at McCloughan’s expense. McCloughan now ‘has nothing to do with anything and has not for a very long time.'"

Regardless of how deeply it's related to alcohol and an alcohol problem, this was the risk the Skins took in bringing SM here. Sadly, I can't remember the last time the Skins took a risk and it actually didn't backfire, I am open to being reminded of any and all great success stories of the last 20 years.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Regardless of how deeply it's related to alcohol and an alcohol problem, this was the risk the Skins took in bringing SM here. Sadly, I can't remember the last time the Skins took a risk and it actually didn't backfire, I am open to being reminded of any and all great success stories of the last 20 years.

I cant think of one. However, I am not completely convinced the dumpster is full of oily rags. I don't know why but for some reason I think this off season is going to wind up OK in the long run.

I guess the way I read the tea leaves over the last three years is this:

year 1: SM is awesome, great draft headed in the right direction (alcohol free)

year 2: WTF was that draft about...GDI the free agents didnt work either...(not alcohol free)

year 3: Not going to let that shit happen again. Go get yourself together.

At the end of this year (possibly next year) Gruden could very well come out of this as a really solid foundation for a long time. If he can get DS to back off on RGIII and the front office to contain a drunk GM, while at the same time winning games, not too shabby. By this fall promote another GM from within and keep moving forward.

Thems is some Burgundy glasses I am sure, but I cant keep from thinking this is what is happening.

I am not a Snyder hater and tend to dismiss alot of the all things bad in DC are directly due to DS. First five years yes. Since then has been getting better over time.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Kope

I cant think of one. However, I am not completely convinced the dumpster is full of oily rags. I don't know why but for some reason I think this off season is going to wind up OK in the long run.

I guess the way I read the tea leaves over the last three years is this:

year 1: SM is awesome, great draft headed in the right direction (alcohol free)

year 2: WTF was that draft about...GDI the free agents didnt work either...(not alcohol free)

year 3: Not going to let that shit happen again. Go get yourself together.

At the end of this year (possibly next year) Gruden could very well come out of this as a really solid foundation for a long time. If he can get DS to back off on RGIII and the front office to contain a drunk GM, while at the same time winning games, not too shabby. By this fall promote another GM from within and keep moving forward.

Thems is some Burgundy glasses I am sure, but I cant keep from thinking this is what is happening.

I am not a Snyder hater and tend to dismiss alot of the all things bad in DC are directly due to DS. First five years yes. Since then has been getting better over time.

I agree with your assessment of Snyder, tho I admit this off-season speculation around KC's contract had me worried. If SM has been struggling then that may actually (when wearing BaG glasses) explain some of the lack of movement we have seen. It's still not a great thing, ideally SM kept his act together, and the Skins ship steadied around him as GM and Gruden as HC. Like you said, maybe a steadier GM comes up from the ranks and we keep moving forward. Here's hoping!

[skinsfaninok]

Damn reports say Doug Williams is poised to take Scots job if he Is let go.. SMOOT what do u think about this?

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[Chico23231]

complete shit show on the radio driving into work...our guy in Richmond had Chris Russell on. If Chris Russell is right...this aint looking to good.

Mike Robinson from NFL network said Scott told him inside Redskin Park from day 1 its been kinda like a power struggle from within the organization. That those are folks from inside the FO who side with Bruce and aren't "his guys" meaning, folks who he couldnt trust.

This all starts at the top, dan Snyder folks. all starts at the top

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

complete shit show on the radio driving into work...our guy in Richmond had Chris Russell on. If Chris Russell is right...this aint looking to good.

Mike Robinson from NFL network said Scott told him inside Redskin Park from day 1 its been kinda like a power struggle from within the organization. That those are folks from inside the FO who side with Bruce and aren't "his guys" meaning, folks who he couldnt trust.

This all starts at the top, dan Snyder folks. all starts at the top

Worst owner in football, he's a complete fuck tard. Yeah he wants to win but he also wants to be Jerry Jones, well until he wins 3 rings sit the fuck down.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

complete shit show on the radio driving into work...our guy in Richmond had Chris Russell on. If Chris Russell is right...this aint looking to good.

Mike Robinson from NFL network said Scott told him inside Redskin Park from day 1 its been kinda like a power struggle from within the organization. That those are folks from inside the FO who side with Bruce and aren't "his guys" meaning, folks who he couldnt trust.

This all starts at the top, dan Snyder folks. all starts at the top

In away you want a power struggle at the top; it becomes a system of checks and balances. Handing the keys to one person is probably not the best route to go.

Synder wants to make money more then win championships; some people seem not to understand that.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

In away you want a power struggle at the top; it becomes a system of checks and balances. Handing the keys to one person is probably not the best route to go.

Synder wants to make money more then win championships; some people seem not to understand that.

eh...I don't want constant struggle especially when it comes to trust. I like one message, positivity, big picture, and clear action plans to achieve goals.

Im not saying it should be fake, kumbaya type shit. you always need people who will hold up the these things with accountability and someone who thinks a second look or different is ok.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

eh...I don't want constant struggle especially when it comes to trust. I like one message, positivity, big picture, and clear action plans to achieve goals.

Im not saying it should be fake, kumbaya type shit. you always need people who will hold up the these things with accountability and someone who thinks a second look or different is ok.

You want that when the decision is made during the process of the decision you want some power struggle among est who you think are your best decision makers.

[bigant]

I,m totally scared we are going to screw this whole off season up royally,the front office b.s. Is incredible we are becoming the laughing stock of the league again who the hell is running the team we all would like to know ,secondly what are we doing with Jackson and garçon seems to me we are letting them both go ugh we have no idea what doctson can do ,then you here reports that we will not be active a lot in free agency and we might take an offensive player with the first round pick really wow just incredible,unless it is one of the two top RB,s we are so close to being pretty darn good and we are so close to fucking this whole thing up and being the joke of the league again ,I really hope there is a god above because this organization needs all the help it can get...

[Schneed10]

Any way you look at it, it's not good. Now, is it a bad thing if Gruden is having more influence over player acquisition? I'd much rather McC have it, but I do think Gruden knows what he's looking for.

The disturbing part is the power struggle stuff.

Still, when you get down to it, it's still the same scouting staff with Campbell et al just with Doug Williams and Allen leading the way. Assuming the reports are accurate. And I can't see a reason to question them.

But it's still the same scouting staff, they're the ones that informed McC and they'll be the same ones informing Allen and Doug. It just means McC may not be making the call on draft day as to who to select. That worries me a bit because he could be counted on to take BPA. I get a little concerned we'll start reaching for need with a change at the helm.

[NC_Skins]

Scot McCloughan Absent From Redskins Park Since February 20th « CBS DC

According to this, he hasn't been at Redskins Park since the 20th. SMH

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Scot McCloughan Absent From Redskins Park Since February 20th « CBS DC

According to this, he hasn't been at Redskins Park since the 20th. SMH

The key piece in here:

Multiple Redskins officials were seen entering the Crowne Plaza hotel in Indianapolis on Wednesday evening for interviews with college draft prospects. Among them were coach Jay Gruden, senior personnel executive Doug Williams, director of pro personnel Alex Santos and multiple scouts. Neither McCloughan nor team president Bruce Allen were seen entering the meeting.

Interviews are the only real valuable piece of the combine. McC isn't there to do what he always said was the most important part - find out what's inside the player's chest, what drives them, who they are. Gruden and Doug are the ones assessing that.

It's clear as day that means those two are driving the process now. If Gruden's in the room I feel a little better. I think he understands character, heart, whether a guy likes football, and I think he knows what he wants in his team. I hope Doug and Allen defer to his judgment.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The key piece in here:



Interviews are the only real valuable piece of the combine. McC isn't there to do what he always said was the most important part - find out what's inside the player's chest, what drives them, who they are. Gruden and Doug are the ones assessing that.

It's clear as day that means those two are driving the process now. If Gruden's in the room I feel a little better. I think he understands character, heart, whether a guy likes football, and I think he knows what he wants in his team. I hope Doug and Allen defer to his judgment.

McC missing the combines is like Santa missing Xmas; its their time of the year to shine.

I have seen plenty of smoke at this point something is up with McC. =(