Heartbreak City: Redskins-Saints Postgame Thread

[KI Skins Fan]

As a reminder, here's what Scot McCloughan had to say about Kirk's ceiling on 106.7 The Fan radio in May of this year:

"His ceiling is where it's at right now," McCloughan told hosts Grant Paulsen and Danny Rouhier. “He’s a good player who has proven he can win a division and that’s hard to find -- and a chance for two years in a row to go to the playoffs. That’s what you’re looking for.”

It’s what the Redskins have -- and yet no offer has come close to getting a deal done. But the reasons why also can be found in McCloughan’s comments, reiterating points he made when he was still in charge. The Redskins need to make sure they can afford players at other positions, too. That’s something even coach Jay Gruden has mentioned in the past as well. It’s always been central to the issue.

"Everyone says it’s the most important position on the field," McCloughan said. “I understand he touches the ball every snap, but it’s the guys around him. If you’re paying the quarterback, then you’re losing an offensive lineman, you’re going to lose the defensive lineman, you’re going to lose the corner. With the cap, you can’t afford it."

[skinsfan69]

I don't think Allen is going anywhere. He's the perfect guy for Snyder and will probably work here as long as he wants. Think about the last time you've heard a peep out of Snyder? I can't even remember when he's actually talked to anyone. Allen is Synder's henchman.

[Chico23231]

Deangelo Hall grade from PFF yesterday:

S DeAngelo Hall, 24.6 overall grade

Hall’s day was about as bad as it gets for a safety. He missed three of his eight tackle attempts and allowed all four of his targets to be completed for 67 yards and a touchdown


24.6 ? FFS, why is he on the field?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Deangelo Hall grade from PFF yesterday:

S DeAngelo Hall, 24.6 overall grade

Hall’s day was about as bad as it gets for a safety. He missed three of his eight tackle attempts and allowed all four of his targets to be completed for 67 yards and a touchdown


24.6 ? FFS, why is he on the field?

he's old and needs to retire.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Deangelo Hall grade from PFF yesterday:

S DeAngelo Hall, 24.6 overall grade

Hall’s day was about as bad as it gets for a safety. He missed three of his eight tackle attempts and allowed all four of his targets to be completed for 67 yards and a touchdown


24.6 ? FFS, why is he on the field?

I said last week, Hall is garbage now. Too many injuries to his lower extremities has taken its toll, and he no longer has his blazing speed nor lateral quickness.

I'd rather play Everett and bring up Fish (Smithson) from the practice squad. Let Hall serve as a player/coach, and he only gets in if Nicholson, Everett, or Fish can't go.

Nicholson can't seem to finish games and has been beat up since our game versus the Chiefs. He's clearly our best free safety.

[punch it in]

Hall is absolutely useless. He should basically be cut now. If you want to just plug in a body get one that can still move without a walker for fuck sake.
I am not a fan of the coaching turn-style, but Grudens playcalling is amateurish at best. Consistency is good and all but a turd is a turd and will never turn into a bar of gold no matter how long you let it sit around.

[Schneed10]

I reject the notion that continuity is the best path to success. The Rams under Fisher were garbage to mediocre every season, then in comes McVay and Wade Phillips and they're good immediately. Mike Zimmer takes over the Vikings in 2014 and they go 7-9, and then 11-5 in the second year, and now they're 8-2. Doug Pederson takes over the Eagles last year, they go 7-9, and now in his second year they're 9-1. Andy Reid takes over the Chiefs in 2013, after they went 4-12 the year before. What does he do?
11-5 in his first season. Pete Carroll takes over Seattle in 2010 - they go 7-9 two years in a row and then they land Wilson - no fewer than 10 wins in any season since.

If you've got the QB then a good coach can make a difference immediately. So that's the question - do we have the QB? No doubt in my mind that Cousins is the guy but will he sign here if Gruden is gone?

Get Cousins under contract long term, then find the next coach. That's where I'm at.

Fuck off with this continuity bullshit, it's a farce.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I reject the notion that continuity is the best path to success. The Rams under Fisher were garbage to mediocre every season, then in comes McVay and Wade Phillips and they're good immediately. Mike Zimmer takes over the Vikings in 2014 and they go 7-9, and then 11-5 in the second year, and now they're 8-2. Doug Pederson takes over the Eagles last year, they go 7-9, and now in his second year they're 9-1. Andy Reid takes over the Chiefs in 2013, after they went 4-12 the year before. What does he do?
11-5 in his first season. Pete Carroll takes over Seattle in 2010 - they go 7-9 two years in a row and then they land Wilson - no fewer than 10 wins in any season since.

If you've got the QB then a good coach can make a difference immediately. So that's the question - do we have the QB? No doubt in my mind that Cousins is the guy but will he sign here if Gruden is gone?

Get Cousins under contract long term, then find the next coach. That's where I'm at.

Fuck off with this continuity bullshit, it's a farce.

How many of those teams have a Bruce Allen or a Vinny Cerrato in the front office? You can keep rotating coaches like we have for the last 20 years, and never hit a home run with any of them because of the front office.

[MTK]

Continuity just for the sake of it is worthless, so you have to ask if Gruden is the main thing holding us back. Personally I don’t believe so.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

Continuity just for the sake of it is worthless, so you have to ask if Gruden is the main thing holding us back. Personally I don’t believe so.

This is a thoughtful post and it made me think.

I think your statement is accurate, he's not holding us back. But at the same time he's not propelling us forward. In my opinion we have the talent to perform better than we are, especially in certain specific situations like 2-minute.

Coaches capable of winning the Super Bowl don't just get out what their talent dictates. They make it better, they squeeze extra juice out of the lemon, they make chicken salad out of...

After four years I think we know. He's average. He won't hold you back, but he also won't beat anybody he's not supposed to.

I'd like to get the QB under contract, and once we do, take a shot and make a change.

[SFREDSKIN]

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

Continuity just for the sake of it is worthless, so you have to ask if Gruden is the main thing holding us back. Personally I don’t believe so.

Very good point! I have always believed in team chemistry,some teams might not have the very best but somehow they make it work and that to me is chemistry.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Out of all the variables that can actually change (Smithers gets to stay forever), I think Gruden is the one holding us back the most.

Getting outplayed 9 out of every 10 2nd and 4th quarters is inexcusable and that falls on the HC.

The end of both halfs yesterday is par for the course with Gruden.

Yesterday was the straw that broke this camels back. I don't think we'll ever win anything with him. He is an 8-8 kind of guy.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by MTK

Continuity just for the sake of it is worthless, so you have to ask if Gruden is the main thing holding us back. Personally I don’t believe so.

Agreed.
Continuity isn’t working for the Bengals.

Gruden appears to be nothing more than norv turner.
He is too soft with players and and coaches.

[skinsfaninok]

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