Did anyone else watch Comcast postgame? (Lavar Related)

[FRPLG]

#56fanatic:
You are consistently mistating facts. You have said now a couple times that Lavar "doesn't get on the practice field". Where exactly are you getting this idea?

[#56fanatic]

thats a joke! Then why to they market these players individually. I always root for washington, but man you have to be able to identify with the players. Looking at your age, I dont know if you remember the years Gibbs was here the first time, man the players were the same year in and year out, and dont tell me it cant happen. All the good teams(pats, eagles, steelers, carolina, ect. ) all have the same core group. LaVar is suppose to be the head of that core group, a "core redskin" now hes being tossed aside like a used up 40 year old QB.

[Luxorreb]

Lavar is a weapon but so is the scud missile.


We will see Lavar this season just be patient.
You watch the clips of the Phins and Broncs SB and you'll see that Gibbs can pull it out. All you need is faith my brother.

[Luxorreb]

Scud missile is like shooting old Pontiac stationwagons in the air...

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

thats a joke! Then why to they market these players individually. I always root for washington, but man you have to be able to identify with the players. Looking at your age, I dont know if you remember the years Gibbs was here the first time, man the players were the same year in and year out, and dont tell me it cant happen. All the good teams(pats, eagles, steelers, carolina, ect. ) all have the same core group. LaVar is suppose to be the head of that core group, a "core redskin" now hes being tossed aside like a used up 40 year old QB.

Because on a team that doesn't win much, that's where they make the money. Looking at your age you should know this, old man.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

thats a joke! Then why to they market these players individually. I always root for washington, but man you have to be able to identify with the players. Looking at your age, I dont know if you remember the years Gibbs was here the first time, man the players were the same year in and year out, and dont tell me it cant happen. All the good teams(pats, eagles, steelers, carolina, ect. ) all have the same core group. LaVar is suppose to be the head of that core group, a "core redskin" now hes being tossed aside like a used up 40 year old QB.

Perhaps he's not the core Redskin that he appeared to be after all?

If you remember Gibbs 1.0, I find it amazing you would so vigorously question his decision making now.

The man is a proven winner who knows a thing or two about surrounding himself with top notch people. Perhaps Gibbs and the staff have soured on Arrington.

What it all boils down to is we the fans don't have all the information necessary to fairly judge the situation. But... the people that do have all the information are the ones that are making the decision to bench him, so conventional wisdom here says to trust the people with all the information.

If we can't trust Gibbs and co., seriously... who can we trust?

[That Guy]

quick summary:
lavar isn't happy, but the coaches don't care.

I think he lost his job and until they start losing, holdman goes from ho-hum to terrible or an injury occurs, he'll continue to watch from the sidelines.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

It was only a matter of time before the truth came out, wonder what the coaching staff is going to say about him not on the field at practice either, or what lie that they come up with

GO LAVAR!! WE ARE BEHIND YOU

Wow - pretty strong words based on one side of the story. Both Joe and GW have made it clear - stop freelancing. EVERY report - both from inside and sources around the league - blame LaVar's lack of playing time on his inability to play within the system - ANY SYSTEM.

He's not getting practice reps? Well, what does he do with the reps he gets? Apparently, he freelances (as usual). And your surprised this gets him fewer repetitions? If I'm GW, I'd do the same thing - "LaVar Show me you can practice within the system for a 3 or 4 packages. Can't do that? Okay, show me you can practice within the system for two packages. Can't do that? Show me you can practice within the system for ONE package. How about for just one rep? Can't do that? Guess what - I am giving your reps to someone who understands and is capable of playing the system AND who will improve and show himself capable of growing WITHIN the system."

LaVar's incredible athletic talent doesn't mean he is entitled to playing time. Despite his athleticism, it's teamwork not individual athleticism that wins championships (SI recently conducted a player poll asking "Outside of Vick, who is the most athletic player" - Every team accept one had players listed. The only team without a "most athletic" player? New England). To his credit, LaVar has been a team player and has not been disruptive - but even a good attitude doesn't warrant playing time. Athleticism, attitude AND most importantly discipline will get LaVar his practice reps and his playing time. But first, clearly, LaVar has to reestablish the trust GW gave him initially but then lost through LaVar's inability to practice or play disciplined football.

LaVar is frustrated, but all that has to happen is for the little light to go on in his head that says "Do what the coaches tell me to do". I have yet to hear him say "I am doing what they tell me to do, but they still won't play me" or simply (as you assert) "the coaches lied to me, they promised me X and I got Y". Other than Ramsey and LaVar, I have yet to see or hear any player rumblings about unfair treatment. And, in each of those cases, the players themselves haven't alleged they were lied to by the coaches. Rather, each complained that they simple weren't given the opportunity THEY felt they deserved. Further, not one other player has even hinted that they felt LaVar was getting a bum deal. Instead, it is "We know he wants to play." "With his talent, he could help us but we play as a team and everyone has to step up." Nobody is talking about how LaVar is really working on breaking down film or studying his role in the defense.

Don't get me wrong, I like LaVar. He is a tremendous athelete and a really good guy. But I also trust Joe - he ain't gonna air his laundry for us b/c, I believe, he feels that what is between a player and the coaches stays between the player and the coaches. Further, I think Gibbs reputation speaks for itself. You're calling Joe Gibbs a liar? or someone who tolerates liars on his staff? If your dealing in hyperbole, then it's simply uncalled for in what is already a touchy subject among fans. If you honestly believe this coaching staff lies to its players, then - sorry dude - that just blows your credibility. Please take your conspiracy theories to the appropriate X Files chatroom.

You may be behind LaVar (enjoy the bench), but I am behind the coaching staff that is playing winning football, that, apparently, has the confidence of the team, that has put up a couple of top 5 defenses, and that has historically won the trust and respect its players.

[MTK]

Sterling Sharpe did a quick breakdown on why LaVar isn't playing, you can watch the clip at NFL.com, on the right hand side with all the videos I think it's the week 5 preview clip.

Right at the end he shows 2 plays in the Bears game where LaVar is way out of position and loses containment to the outside allowing Thomas Jones 2 big gains.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Wow - pretty strong words based on one side of the story. Both Joe and GW have made it clear - stop freelancing. EVERY report - both from inside and sources around the league - blame LaVar's lack of playing time on his inability to play within the system - ANY SYSTEM.

He's not getting practice reps? Well, what does he do with the reps he gets? Apparently, he freelances (as usual). And your surprised this gets him fewer repetitions? If I'm GW, I'd do the same thing - "LaVar Show me you can practice within the system for a 3 or 4 packages. Can't do that? Okay, show me you can practice within the system for two packages. Can't do that? Show me you can practice within the system for ONE package. How about for just one rep? Can't do that? Guess what - I am giving your reps to someone who understands and is capable of playing the system AND who will improve and show himself capable of growing WITHIN the system."

LaVar's incredible athletic talent doesn't mean he is entitled to playing time. Despite his athleticism, it's teamwork not individual athleticism that wins championships (SI recently conducted a player poll asking "Outside of Vick, who is the most athletic player" - Every team accept one had players listed. The only team without a "most athletic" player? New England). To his credit, LaVar has been a team player and has not been disruptive - but even a good attitude doesn't warrant playing time. Athleticism, attitude AND most importantly discipline will get LaVar his practice reps and his playing time. But first, clearly, LaVar has to reestablish the trust GW gave him initially but then lost through LaVar's inability to practice or play disciplined football.

LaVar is frustrated, but all that has to happen is for the little light to go on in his head that says "Do what the coaches tell me to do". I have yet to hear him say "I am doing what they tell me to do, but they still won't play me" or simply (as you assert) "the coaches lied to me, they promised me X and I got Y". Other than Ramsey and LaVar, I have yet to see or hear any player rumblings about unfair treatment. And, in each of those cases, the players themselves haven't alleged they were lied to by the coaches. Rather, each complained that they simple weren't given the opportunity THEY felt they deserved. Further, not one other player has even hinted that they felt LaVar was getting a bum deal. Instead, it is "We know he wants to play." "With his talent, he could help us but we play as a team and everyone has to step up." Nobody is talking about how LaVar is really working on breaking down film or studying his role in the defense.

Don't get me wrong, I like LaVar. He is a tremendous athelete and a really good guy. But I also trust Joe - he ain't gonna air his laundry for us b/c, I believe, he feels that what is between a player and the coaches stays between the player and the coaches. Further, I think Gibbs reputation speaks for itself. You're calling Joe Gibbs a liar? or someone who tolerates liars on his staff? If your dealing in hyperbole, then it's simply uncalled for in what is already a touchy subject among fans. If you honestly believe this coaching staff lies to its players, then - sorry dude - that just blows your credibility. Please take your conspiracy theories to the appropriate X Files chatroom.

You may be behind LaVar (enjoy the bench), but I am behind the coaching staff that is playing winning football, that, apparently, has the confidence of the team, that has put up a couple of top 5 defenses, and that has historically won the trust and respect its players.

You guys kill me....all of a sudden LaVar is this super freelancer?? Come the hell on??? Check all of the threads I've written or responded to, and you'll find that I agree with Gibbs/Williams on just about everything, and I tend to believe what they say as well. I don't doubt their ability or coaching experience. But please don't tell me LaVar has fallen that far from grace as one of the most dominant linebackers in the NFL to someone who all of a sudden can't pick up a system?? Someone who freelances so much that he can't get reps in practice?? I mean, does that even sound right?? Seriously??
How do you go from All-Pro to a healthy fifth string linebacker? I'm not saying they are lying but certainly the whole story isn't being told.

How could he go from being the face of the Redskins one year to the butt of the Redskins the next??

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sterling Sharpe did a quick breakdown on why LaVar isn't playing, you can watch the clip at NFL.com, on the right hand side with all the videos I think it's the week 5 preview clip.

Right at the end he shows 2 plays in the Bears game where LaVar is way out of position and loses containment to the outside allowing Thomas Jones 2 big gains.

Well that will get ignored because it doesn't follow along the lemming path of everyone thinks he should be playing, especially all the natinal media who don't know jack crap about what really goes on with teams because they don't have enough time to focus on each individual team.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by That Guy

two points, first, bill gates doesn't give tech support to anyone personally, he has people that do that for him. He also is allowed to keep his clap shut about anything he wants, and it doesn't really affect the MS bottom line.

You say the nfl needs to appease fans, but honestly, how many people here are cancelling their season tickets and are going to stop watching the games because one coach wouldn't talk extensively about the benching of a single player.... I don't see any hands up.

As far as your first point, obviously Bill Gates isn't personally responsible for Microsoft tech support, just as Snyder isn't directly responsible for all the Redskins merchandise and TV shows, I just used his name to make the statement more relatable. And I said that no one can force him to offer tech support, but he does it to make his customers happy. If you think him cutting off tech support and updates would have no effect on the Microsoft bottom line, you're crazy.

Secondly, I stated that we blindly stick with the Redskins here in the Washington area, but fans being unhappy or uninterested to the point of the franchise losing money happens all the time. Anytime a team moves to a new city, it's generally because the owner isn't happy with the amount of money he's making in the current city. All the little Redskins shows and events are what Snyder throws at us to appease us, and it apparently works.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You guys kill me....all of a sudden LaVar is this super freelancer?? Come the hell on???

Well, you kill me. How out of touch can you be?? ALL OF SUDDEN? Jesus F'ing christ, LA has ALWAYS been a freelancer - even at Penn State. Remember Marvin Lewis?? Or how about how LA and the rest of the LB's just sorta did their own thing under Edwards? LA is incapable of playing disciplined football. Show me one reporter/analyst/player or coach who has complimented LA on his disciplined play. I have been reading about LA's inability to play disciplined ball in ANY system since the time immemorial. Apparently, the current set of coaches simply aren't gonna put up with it.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

But please don't tell me LaVar has fallen that far from grace as one of the most dominant linebackers in the NFL to someone who all of a sudden can't pick up a system??

First, although a pro bowler, and capable of big plays, LaVar was never considered "one of the most dominant linebackers in the game". He always bordered on being recognized around the league as such, but something seemed to hold him back in the view of players from other teams (hmmmmm ... wonder what it could have been).

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Someone who freelances so much that he can't get reps in practice?? I mean, does that even sound right?? Seriously??

Yes. I thought I explained the logic of it in my previous post. Simply put: Until you demonstrate your ability to play within the system, you will be given LESS not MORE responsibility.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

How do you go from All-Pro to a healthy fifth string linebacker? I'm not saying they are lying but certainly the whole story isn't being told.

By demonstrating in practice and in games your inability to do EXACTLY what you are asked to do. Just give me one reference point outside of LA himself that says LA is being given a bum ride - that his athleticism more than compensates for the gains given up by his breakdowns in discipline.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

How could he go from being the face of the Redskins one year to the butt of the Redskins the next??

NO ONE from the organization has disparaged LA's attitude or work ethic. It is clear, to me at least, that the coaches WANT LaVar to play more, that they love his athleticism, but that they just don't trust his ability to play disciplined ball right now.

GW came in believing LaVar could be a big performer for him - I was there draft day 2004 when, in response to a question from the crowd "how will you generate more sacks", Gibbs said he thought the personnel on the roster would be capable of doing that. As Gibbs said this- GW was standing behind him and flashed a hand signal to the crowd - five, six - . These coaches expected LA to play big for them and he, LA, failed to live up to their expectations. It is as simple as that.

[#56fanatic]

If the man is saying he's not getting any reps in practice, then how is he going to get the assignments down. It would be a different story if he was getting the reps and then the coacheds saying "hes just not getting it" I love the Redskins, Joe and love what GW is doing with the D. I am only saying what was heard on 980, about the coaching staff lying. There is always going to be alot of he said this and that, but if you look at what happened to Coles, when he voiced his displessure, hes gone, Ramsey the same thing. Joe couldn't wait for something to happen to put Brunnell in. Now we have gotten the better end of those two deals, assumming Brunell keeps playing good football, which I think he will. However, there will be one of these episodes that bites us in the butt, and this may be one of them. The players aren't going to get caught up in saying GW should play this guy or that guy, they dont want to lose their jobs or create a divided locker room. which I give them credit for. The biggest thing I have heard is Marcus saying LaVar is a playmaker, and they could use that on the field. Its simple, if a guy has been to 3 pro bowls, continually adjusting to 5 different defenses in 5 seasons. Making HUGE adjustments in Marvin Lewis's D then I dont see how this is any different. If Sterling Sharpe breaks down two plays against Chicago, and shows LaVar out of position, show me two plays of the 40 or so the defense is on the field and lets see if Marcus is out of position on any of those. or Sean Taylor, or Holdman, Daniels. I find it hard to believe that those guys are in position every single play of every single game. Wasn't the two long runs from Bell attributed to guys being out of position? I know you are going to say, well of those two plays LaVar is out of position, look Sterling, you , me and everyone else does not know where LaVar was suppose to be on those particular plays, only the coaches and LaVar. I know if week 1, of the few plays he was in, he made more tackles than Holdman has made in two weeks. Now to make tackles you have to be in position, or running the play down across the field. Lets face it, alot of us want LaVar to play and for some unknown reason(understanding the D isn't one of them) he isn't. We all better hope if he goes somewhere else, its in the AFC.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

As far as your first point, obviously Bill Gates isn't personally responsible for Microsoft tech support, just as Snyder isn't directly responsible for all the Redskins merchandise and TV shows, I just used his name to make the statement more relatable. And I said that no one can force him to offer tech support, but he does it to make his customers happy. If you think him cutting off tech support and updates would have no effect on the Microsoft bottom line, you're crazy.

MS offers tech support cause it makes them more money, cusstomer satisfaction does mean much compared to profits. If you think they offer tech support for the love of their customers instead of because of its profitability, THAT'S crazy.