(Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]The only problem is, Brunell has proven that he is the right choice for the quarterback position. Holdman has yet to prove(and probably, never will prove) that he is better at weak side linebacker than LaVar


How do you know what is going on in practice? As far as raw talent your right Holdman will probably never prove or be better than Lavar but he may fit Williams system better than Lavar. Take Trotter for example he was just an average player for the Skins but look what he did when he went back to Phili.Sometimes I think that a player with less raw tallent can be coached better into some systems than a player with alot of talent who may have a tendence to react by instincts rather than by what they have been taught. Who knows I think we will just have to wait and see how things go.

[Hog1]

[QUOTE=memphisskin]Just saw this on the Lavar situation from Jason Whitlock on ESPN.com.



5. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder deserves credit for allowing Joe Gibbs to bench LaVar Arrington.

You hear all the horror stories about Snyder being a meddlesome owner who has ruined the Redskins. You never hear the good stuff.

How many NFL owners would let a guy they gave an eight-year, $80 million contract rot on the bench? Even if the guy was a stiff, most owners would demand that a player in Arrington's situation play simply because of the dollars involved.

Arrington, despite a 2004 knee injury, isn't a stiff. He can still do the things that made him a three-time Pro Bowler. Arrington just isn't "assignment sound" enough for Joe Gibbs and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.

Gibbs and Williams adopted the defensive approach that has been the mainstay of Bill Belichick's New England defenses. Belichick will sacrifice athleticism at linebacker for players who will always fill the right gap.

Here's the link to the entire article. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...k/051020&num=0

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AMAZING!!!!!

Let me get this straight. It's.................well-founded logic, and tenacity adopted by a three time super bowl winning coach, and his super bowl winning staff...............stylized philosophy like that of another three time super bowl winning coach??????

So............it's not some.............ridiculous, ego driven non-sense, conspiracy, by a crazed maniacal, Napolean to deprive a football player of his playing RIGHTS??????????

Hmmmmmmm..........Naw, I can't believe that!!!!! Sonavabitch Greg Williams

[ArringtonRules]

This is craziest thing I have ever heard!! How is Lavar being selfish? Has he demeanded a trade? No How?? I don't know why Greg Williams does'nt want the beast the all opposing QBs dread in there. Maybe he does'nt want to break somewthing that is running smoothly.. could be..
Lavar has done everything asked of him and more. He has been very classy throughout this process. He wants to be there on the field helping this team to win games.. if that is selfish then all of us r guilty then.
Our defense has been good but not as spectacular as we were last week. For 2 weeks in a row we have been burnt on big plays!! I have heard a lot of things about how LA is not disciplined enough, how he freelances n all.. Bottom line he makes plays and forces opposing offenses to take him into account. Opposing offenses have had to gameplan for him, now they don't.
So please don't tell me he is selfish. Lavar is anything but that.

Originally Posted by Bozzy

He could improve our special teams but he's being selfish. He's not a team player. I wish we could trade him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ArringtonRules

This is craziest thing I have ever heard!! How is Lavar being selfish? Has he demeanded a trade? No How?? I don't know why Greg Williams does'nt want the beast the all opposing QBs dread in there. Maybe he does'nt want to break somewthing that is running smoothly.. could be..
Lavar has done everything asked of him and more. He has been very classy throughout this process. He wants to be there on the field helping this team to win games.. if that is selfish then all of us r guilty then.
Our defense has been good but not as spectacular as we were last week. For 2 weeks in a row we have been burnt on big plays!! I have heard a lot of things about how LA is not disciplined enough, how he freelances n all.. Bottom line he makes plays and forces opposing offenses to take him into account. Opposing offenses have had to gameplan for him, now they don't.
So please don't tell me he is selfish. Lavar is anything but that.

Crying in the media about not playing is not what I would call classy.

Blasting the team back in the offseason for not handling his injury situation to his liking is not what I would call classy.

Accusing the team of cheating him out of $6.5M, a contract his own agents signed, is not what I would call classy.

LaVar is many things, classy isn't something that readily comes to mind. I'm not saying he's totally to blame, but he's certainly not an innocent victim and he's always quick to point the finger at anyone other than himself.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Crying in the media about not playing is not what I would call classy.

Blasting the team back in the offseason for not handling his injury situation to his liking is not what I would call classy.

Accusing the team of cheating him out of $6.5M, a contract his own agents signed, is not what I would call classy.

LaVar is many things, classy isn't something that readily comes to mind. I'm not saying he's totally to blame, but he's certainly not an innocent victim and he's always quick to point the finger at anyone other than himself.

Bingo! There are many ways to handle disputes with your team. Take the respective contract disputes of T.O. and Hines Ward for example. Ward handled contract negotiations with total class and successfully I might add. We all know the probs TO has caused. While LA isn't exactly TO, Lavar would be much happier if he were less of loose cannon. Apparently, the coaching staff is schooling him a bit.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Hog1

While LA isn't exactly TO, Lavar would be much happier if he were less of loose cannon. Apparently, the coaching staff is schooling him a bit.

Schooling him? But I thought he was being kept out of the lineup strictly for his "inability to grasp the defensive scheme". Claiming that he is being "schooled" because of his off the field issues sounds like a wacky conspiracy theory to me.

[Monksdown]

didnt he complain last year that they brought him back too soon, and that is why he was re-injured so quickly? Joe didnt like that. So I think it's a case of Gibb's and Greg showing some f'ing nutz and making sure he is completely healthy; and it's an ego check. the whole, the team is bigger idea.

[Kope]

Our defense has been good but not as spectacular as we were last week. For 2 weeks in a row we have been burnt on big plays!!

Top five I would put in the spectacular catagory. 15 up to 5 I would call good.

Big plays given up yes- would LaVar stop them? Who knows. Would he caused more big plays? Who knows.

The one thing I know for sure is the coaches know the most...they have an advantage called watching practice. Two of the best D coaches in the league (Marvin Lewis and Gregg Williams) call LaVar undisciplined.

I don't think he is selfish - I think he is spoiled. For so long he has made great plays with out working as hard as others - I think he has that much talent- and now the coaches are expecting him to meet the same standard as Ade Jimoe and Rock in terms of work and preparing. That meeting of the standard is how real teams are made - It is how the army puts together their best units (Ranger Regiment and Special Forces) The Pats do it every year. I can't emphasize enough how important standards are in making a good team year in and year out.

The one thing about this thing folks need to realize is not one of the players has come out and supported LaVar- They all line up behind the coaches. That says more to me than anything either side puts out in the media. That is why this isn't a full blown controversy outside of message boards. The media is split pretty much down the middle on who to support.

LaVar is learning I think- I hope. I want him to play as much as anyone...that will mean he is listening and disciplined. He will be ten times the player he was. I am still a huge LA fan. But I am a Skins fan first.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Kope

The one thing about this thing folks need to realize is not one of the players has come out and supported LaVar- They all line up behind the coaches. That says more to me than anything either side puts out in the media. That is why this isn't a full blown controversy outside of message boards. The media is split pretty much down the middle on who to support.

yeah right..as vindictive as these coaches are these players are really gonna speak out..omg one wrong comment and i'm sure they will have the CIA trying to find out who said it!!! I'm a redskins fan too...but wrong is wrong no matter who it is!!! Lord Gibbs included

[skinsguy]

Well, what might hopefully put out this fire a bit and allow some of you Gregg Williams haters to come back to your senses is that a report from Comcast Sports this evening reports that Lavar Arrington has had a great week of practice and is expected to see significant playing time. This can hopefully be only good news for us; especially the Redskins' defense!

[skinsguy]

Let me post this once more....here's the answer to what is new about Lavar and playing time.

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well, what might hopefully put out this fire a bit and allow some of you Gregg Williams haters to come back to your senses is that a report from Comcast Sports this evening reports that Lavar Arrington has had a great week of practice and is expected to see significant playing time. This can hopefully be only good news for us; especially the Redskins' defense!

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Let me post this once more....here's the answer to what is new about Lavar and playing time.

Greg Williams said Lavar has had an excellent 2 weeks of practice and he said he's very comfortable about him playing.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Greg Williams said Lavar has had an excellent 2 weeks of practice and he said he's very comfortable about him playing.

Yes I know what Gregg Williams said, but Comcast stated that Lavar would be seeing significant playing time, although they didn't specify when.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well, what might hopefully put out this fire a bit and allow some of you Gregg Williams haters to come back to your senses is that a report from Comcast Sports this evening reports that Lavar Arrington has had a great week of practice and is expected to see significant playing time. This can hopefully be only good news for us; especially the Redskins' defense!

Come to our senses or maybe it's the heat ....or maybe HE the great defensive Genius came to his senses?????????

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Come to our senses or maybe it's the heat ....or maybe HE the great defensive Genius came to his senses?????????

This sounds like a similar conversation fans were having last year in regards to Patrick Ramsey and Mark Brunell. When all was said and done, the coaching staff was right all along.

I find it a little hard to believe that the media would influence a coaching staff as seasoned as this one.