Lavar says he was misquoted - he wants to remain a redskin for his entire career

[12thMan]

It seems that whenever the situation was getting better and everyone was moving on, LaVar would keep picking at that same "scab", so to speak, and would never let the situation heal. Not once has he put any of the blame on his agents (Postons) for the $6.5 mil debacle.

From what I can tell, no one has really been quoted as saying much about the way LaVar has been treated except LaVar. I haven't heard Gibbs say much, Snyder has been practically silent, and GW has only said things relative to his performance and injuries.

Most of the ill feelings about the situation have been pretty much media generated or by LaVar.

As far as distractions go, I don't think this is comparable to the TO situation. First of all, the team seems to be rally at the right time and the Portis pressers is adding some levity to the locker room. I think if LaVar was playing more of an impact role in this years' success, it would impact the team more.
But I think these guys are really focused right now.

[firstdown]

Right now the only comment I have on this is that Lavar should have waited until after the season to speak on this subject. Then he and the team would have months to work things out. I just hope that both sides will be professionals and go play hard football.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Right now the only comment I have on this is that Lavar should have waited until after the season to speak on this subject. Then he and the team would have months to work things out. I just hope that both sides will be professionals and go play hard football.

I agree but I also have seen the evidence that Lavar is a real emotional guy who takes things and internalizes them very deeply and personally so they stir up ardent feelings that he then is very unskilled at dealing with without lashing out. He has done this numerous times and in this case I think it is obvious he was lashing out after the incident with his coach. I expect a Joe Gibbs coaching staff to understand that they cannot truely treat everyone the same and berating Lavar on a personnel level in front of other players is not the right way to handle the situation. The coaching staff should know better than to press the wrong buttons on this guy. I am not advocating they coddle him but what's the point of yelling over and over again while bringing up persional stuff when it is clear you are pretty suspect that he'll ever be able to change? Seems like badgering for the sake of badgering. The blame for these comments coming out lies squarely on everyone's shoulders. Not just lavar's.

[#56fanatic]

Have any one of you guys read the article in the post today from Wise. Sums up alot of crap going on inside Redskin Park. I think they are treating him like crap, just like other players in the past. You get on the bad side of danny, and out the door you go. Brian Mitchell, champ, Lav Coles,(although this one has been awesome for us) now LaVar. Wouldn't you think a guy as disciplined and hard nosed as Marty and his brother would have said something about LaVar being careless or undisciplined if he truley was that way. I do believe LaVar likes to make plays using his athletic ability, it would be a waste if he didn't. However, how much of that is contributed to new defensive coordinator every year for 5 years. Maybe some. Maybe he doesn't pick up things as quickly as others, and plays on ability alot. I dont know, not on the field to see what is actually happening. Taylor is out of position alot, I dont hear about him getting berated on the sideline or in the locker room. I just dont get it. Hopefully LaVar will not walk away from the game,, and play for someone else. Just not for somebody in our division.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Have any one of you guys read the article in the post today from Wise. Sums up alot of crap going on inside Redskin Park. I think they are treating him like crap, just like other players in the past. You get on the bad side of danny, and out the door you go. Brian Mitchell, champ, Lav Coles,(although this one has been awesome for us) now LaVar. Wouldn't you think a guy as disciplined and hard nosed as Marty and his brother would have said something about LaVar being careless or undisciplined if he truley was that way. I do believe LaVar likes to make plays using his athletic ability, it would be a waste if he didn't. However, how much of that is contributed to new defensive coordinator every year for 5 years. Maybe some. Maybe he doesn't pick up things as quickly as others, and plays on ability alot. I dont know, not on the field to see what is actually happening. Taylor is out of position alot, I dont hear about him getting berated on the sideline or in the locker room. I just dont get it. Hopefully LaVar will not walk away from the game,, and play for someone else. Just not for somebody in our division.

Your right they probably only call out Lavar or maybe just in Lavars mind. When you think you might be on the chopping block every thing seems like alot more than they realy are. I did read the article and it seem pretty one sided to me I'm sure its all Snyder. Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole Cole's thing started with his unhappyness with the O then it spilled over to him and Snyder. Bailey was a cap problem so we had to trade him and Brian Mitchell I can't remember. How can we judge a situation with only one side of an arguement. I just think his timing is a little suspect and just maybe its Lavar trying to get back at the team thinking he may get cut after the season is over but that would be just a guess just as accusing the owners and coaching staff.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Your right they probably only call out Lavar or maybe just in Lavars mind. When you think you might be on the chopping block every thing seems like alot more than they realy are. I did read the article and it seem pretty one sided to me I'm sure its all Snyder. Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole Cole's thing started with his unhappyness with the O then it spilled over to him and Snyder. Bailey was a cap problem so we had to trade him and Brian Mitchell I can't remember. How can we judge a situation with only one side of an arguement. I just think his timing is a little suspect and just maybe its Lavar trying to get back at the team thinking he may get cut after the season is over but that would be just a guess just as accusing the owners and coaching staff.

I do agree with it being an awful time for this to be brought up. but I guess the timing of the interview was bad. it was bound to come out one way or the other. But when your coaches are berating you infront of your team mates after a big win, and a statistically good game you and I would have probably gotten a little pissed too. according to the article some players were even saying enough is enough, but remained nameless so they wouldn't get caught up int he crap too. Coles was pissed because he only had 90 catches, and 1 TD. He said something to Gibbs and Snyder about the offense and Danny blew up saying he will sit home on his ass and watch the game on the plasma he was having delivered. With Mitchell, he took one of the all time Redskin greats and threw him out like a bag a trash. Treated him with no class. Bailey, never wanted to be here, regardless of contract offer. He was tired of the coaching staffs getting fired every year. who could blame him. He said when he was traded, he was a classy guy and deserved to be with a classy organization, basically calling danny out as being classless. I just think that Danny is alienating alot of fans by doing things to pretty popular players.
LaVar is the next one.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Your right they probably only call out Lavar or maybe just in Lavars mind. When you think you might be on the chopping block every thing seems like alot more than they realy are. I did read the article and it seem pretty one sided to me I'm sure its all Snyder. Correct me if I'm wrong but the whole Cole's thing started with his unhappyness with the O then it spilled over to him and Snyder. Bailey was a cap problem so we had to trade him and Brian Mitchell I can't remember. How can we judge a situation with only one side of an arguement. I just think his timing is a little suspect and just maybe its Lavar trying to get back at the team thinking he may get cut after the season is over but that would be just a guess just as accusing the owners and coaching staff.

Here's a good article outlining the entire Coles story

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar8.html

Yes Snyder was out of line, but again, both parties have to share some blame. And then there was the media leak that really blew things out of the water.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Have any one of you guys read the article in the post today from Wise.

I read the whole thing

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Sums up alot of crap going on inside Redskin Park. I think they are treating him like crap, just like other players in the past. You get on the bad side of danny, and out the door you go. Brian Mitchell, champ, Lav Coles,(although this one has been awesome for us) now LaVar.

All three guys you mentioned weren't run out of town by Snyder.
Mitchell was dumped by the head coach at the time who thought he wasn't as good as the money he would be required to get based on his name recognition and veteran status. Snyder didn't get pissed off at Mitchell and get rid of him. The coaches made a personell move that ended up being questionable.
Champ was commanding a massive amount of money and the coaches didn't think he was worth it so they traded him and got some value in the form of CP.
Coles turned douche bag on us when Gibbs couldn't get him the ball because he was limping all over the field. He burned his bridges by attempting to manuver his way out which ended up screwing us on the cap. I think Dan had a right to tell him he'd send him a plasma to watch the games on next year. Before that no one reportedly had any problems with Coles so I fail to see how the FO gets the blame on that.

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Wouldn't you think a guy as disciplined and hard nosed as Marty and his brother would have said something about LaVar being careless or undisciplined if he truley was that way. I do believe LaVar likes to make plays using his athletic ability, it would be a waste if he didn't. However, how much of that is contributed to new defensive coordinator every year for 5 years. Maybe some. Maybe he doesn't pick up things as quickly as others, and plays on ability alot. I dont know, not on the field to see what is actually happening. Taylor is out of position alot, I dont hear about him getting berated on the sideline or in the locker room.

Actually I have never heard Marty bad mouth anyone so no I don't think he would have said anything. Doesn't seem like his style to go moaning to the media about how Lavar missed an assignment or two or nine.
The other players had different coordinators too and they didn't seem to have much trouble sticking to their assignments this past year. That's a lame excuse. If he has trouble picking up systems then his talents are therefore diminished in my eyes. Again other players stepped right in and got the job done while apparently Lavar didn't. That says a lot. I think it has more to do with Lavar's ego driving him to be blind to the fact that he isn't necessarily the greatest LB in the history of the game and that he does have flaws.
Taylor is in his second year and it has been admitted by both he and coaches that he makes mistakes. The difference is that Taylor seems to understand his mistakes and works to fix them. Lavar seems to want to ignore the fact that just about everyone in the know thinks he freelances too much. I trust when dozens of scouts and coaches say I am doing something wrong then I am probably doing something wrong. Lavar doesn't for some reason.

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just dont get it. Hopefully LaVar will not walk away from the game,, and play for someone else. Just not for somebody in our division.

I'd like for them to patch things up and work on getting his amazing talents corraled and utilized here to the best of his abilities but it is going to take a monumental effort by all parties to repair relationships and I doubt anyone is willing to try unfortunately.

Lavar seems upset about a couple things that go beyond playing football. They are: he feels like much of the top brass don't respect him and have turned cold towards him. and he feels they have slighted him by shifting marketing focus from him. Well sorry Lavar but grow the F%^& up! First you file a grievance with the league because you think the Skins up and screwed you out of 6.5 million dollars. Now this grievance essentially goes to the top of the FO in one Dan Snyder. The same Dan Snyder who befriended you and did whatever needed to be done to kake you a superstar with millions of fans and millions of dollars. And you go and accuse him and his organization with trying to steal from you basically? It doesn't take a genius to realize that that is going to burn some bridges. He gets no sympathy from me on that. It doesn't make sense that they'd try to take that money out and it does make sense that his agent(whom he has stood by loyaly it should be noted) never read the contract. Think maybe there was a mistake here Lavar? Why go getting pissed at the Skins when they either made a honest mistake that they couldn't undo they way you wanted or your agent made the mistake and told you the terms wrong. Either way filing a grievance is burning the bridge. Second when Gibbs was hired it was obvious that the marketing scheme would probably shift a little away from individual players like Lavar simply because Gibbs was the big name now. You know that Gibbs guy did win 3 superbowls for the Skins. How many has Lavar won? Also Gibbs is a team first guy by all accounts and marketing individual players seems a little out whack with that thought pattern. Also again, he got freaking hurt and other guys stepped in and played well. They should get some recognition for that too and not have to sit and watch Lavar get the adoration while they were busting their butts. Get over your ego about the marketing crap and realize you are the one who burned the bridges with the FO Lavar.
I do fault the coaching staff for not handling this situation the best. I think lavar presented a difficult guy to manage and they totally whiffed on him. He needs special attention to keep happy because he is so emotional but I think his talent makes that special attention doable if you try. That is where I am disappointed. The coaches haven't done all they can to make this situation work and I expect better froma Joe GIbbs staff.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I read the whole thing

All three guys you mentioned weren't run out of town by Snyder.
Mitchell was dumped by the head coach at the time who thought he wasn't as good as the money he would be required to get based on his name recognition and veteran status. Snyder didn't get pissed off at Mitchell and get rid of him. The coaches made a personell move that ended up being questionable.
Champ was commanding a massive amount of money and the coaches didn't think he was worth it so they traded him and got some value in the form of CP.
Coles turned douche bag on us when Gibbs couldn't get him the ball because he was limping all over the field. He burned his bridges by attempting to manuver his way out which ended up screwing us on the cap. I think Dan had a right to tell him he'd send him a plasma to watch the games on next year. Before that no one reportedly had any problems with Coles so I fail to see how the FO gets the blame on that.

Actually I have never heard Marty bad mouth anyone so no I don't think he would have said anything. Doesn't seem like his style to go moaning to the media about how Lavar missed an assignment or two or nine.
The other players had different coordinators too and they didn't seem to have much trouble sticking to their assignments this past year. That's a lame excuse. If he has trouble picking up systems then his talents are therefore diminished in my eyes. Again other players stepped right in and got the job done while apparently Lavar didn't. That says a lot. I think it has more to do with Lavar's ego driving him to be blind to the fact that he isn't necessarily the greatest LB in the history of the game and that he does have flaws.
Taylor is in his second year and it has been admitted by both he and coaches that he makes mistakes. The difference is that Taylor seems to understand his mistakes and works to fix them. Lavar seems to want to ignore the fact that just about everyone in the know thinks he freelances too much. I trust when dozens of scouts and coaches say I am doing something wrong then I am probably doing something wrong. Lavar doesn't for some reason.

I'd like for them to patch things up and work on getting his amazing talents corraled and utilized here to the best of his abilities but it is going to take a monumental effort by all parties to repair relationships and I doubt anyone is willing to try unfortunately.

Lavar seems upset about a couple things that go beyond playing football. They are: he feels like much of the top brass don't respect him and have turned cold towards him. and he feels they have slighted him by shifting marketing focus from him. Well sorry Lavar but grow the F%^& up! First you file a grievance with the league because you think the Skins up and screwed you out of 6.5 million dollars. Now this grievance essentially goes to the top of the FO in one Dan Snyder. The same Dan Snyder who befriended you and did whatever needed to be done to kake you a superstar with millions of fans and millions of dollars. And you go and accuse him and his organization with trying to steal from you basically? It doesn't take a genius to realize that that is going to burn some bridges. He gets no sympathy from me on that. It doesn't make sense that they'd try to take that money out and it does make sense that his agent(whom he has stood by loyaly it should be noted) never read the contract. Think maybe there was a mistake here Lavar? Why go getting pissed at the Skins when they either made a honest mistake that they couldn't undo they way you wanted or your agent made the mistake and told you the terms wrong. Either way filing a grievance is burning the bridge. Second when Gibbs was hired it was obvious that the marketing scheme would probably shift a little away from individual players like Lavar simply because Gibbs was the big name now. You know that Gibbs guy did win 3 superbowls for the Skins. How many has Lavar won? Also Gibbs is a team first guy by all accounts and marketing individual players seems a little out whack with that thought pattern. Also again, he got freaking hurt and other guys stepped in and played well. They should get some recognition for that too and not have to sit and watch Lavar get the adoration while they were busting their butts. Get over your ego about the marketing crap and realize you are the one who burned the bridges with the FO Lavar.
I do fault the coaching staff for not handling this situation the best. I think lavar presented a difficult guy to manage and they totally whiffed on him. He needs special attention to keep happy because he is so emotional but I think his talent makes that special attention doable if you try. That is where I am disappointed. The coaches haven't done all they can to make this situation work and I expect better froma Joe GIbbs staff.

everybody sees things there own way. right or wrong, not going to argue with you on that. but, Why would a guy who loves this town and city basically throw the guy that signs his checks under the bus. Besides that, he dropped the suit, but the NFLPA wouldn't. The Mitchell thing, I have heard time and time again that he was seriously pissed off at Snyder. Snyder made all the decisions on bringing in those players in 2000, not Norv. And when he signed Dieon, he said goodbye to Mitchell. Norv did not cut Mitchell, Danny did. I know that for a fact. Coles went to the coaches and Danny expressing his frustrations with the offense, then Snyder told him if he didn't like it, to sit his ass at home and watch the games on the plasma he as mailing to him. That sounds like a great person. Now if he said it or not, dont know. But agian, two sides of the story and we have only one. Bailey said he wanted to play for a class organization, and there had to be something there for him to say that. Champ never once opened his mouth while playing here. He was a class guy. He got fed up with Snyder and constant changes. Who wouldn't , especially when you are not winning.

6.5 million dollars, you make it sound like its a couple of dollars. You would n't be going nuts if someone left that out of your paycheck? I know its the agents fault for not reading it, but I think everyone here would be ticked off about that, if it was true and indeed was left out. None of us really know that either because I dont think anyone here actually saw the contract.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Have any one of you guys read the article in the post today from Wise. Sums up alot of crap going on inside Redskin Park. I think they are treating him like crap, just like other players in the past. You get on the bad side of danny, and out the door you go. Brian Mitchell, champ, Lav Coles,(although this one has been awesome for us) now LaVar. Wouldn't you think a guy as disciplined and hard nosed as Marty and his brother would have said something about LaVar being careless or undisciplined if he truley was that way. I do believe LaVar likes to make plays using his athletic ability, it would be a waste if he didn't. However, how much of that is contributed to new defensive coordinator every year for 5 years. Maybe some. Maybe he doesn't pick up things as quickly as others, and plays on ability alot. I dont know, not on the field to see what is actually happening. Taylor is out of position alot, I dont hear about him getting berated on the sideline or in the locker room. I just dont get it. Hopefully LaVar will not walk away from the game,, and play for someone else. Just not for somebody in our division.

Lavar is like a dog chasing a stick, all you have to do is fake the throw and the dog runs all over the place looking for it.

I would love to play against Lavar twice a year, that would be 2 times a year our offense will pile up the points with him constantly out of position, and all around ignorant play.

[BigSKINBauer]

Don Bank's take
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...230/index.html

"Nice timing, LaVar Arrington. If you weren't already persona non grata within the organization, you are now. Holding court on your future during the week leading up to the Redskins' biggest game since 1999 is exactly why you're considered part of the problem rather than part of the answer in D.C. Arrington has waited six seasons to play for a postseason berth, and he picks this week to make it all about him."

[Hog1]

His life would be infinitely easier if he would learn to keep his mouth closed! He continues to shoot himself in the foot with comments to the press! I am going to have to hear a whole lot more information than I have, to make me believe he is being unfairly treated, or there is some sort of LA conspiracy. I wish him good luck, a long, and successful career with the team, and a closed mouth!

[MTK]

Players come and go, that's not exclusive to the Redskins, that's the NFL, that's sports. Otherwise why do people remain fans of one team for decades? So yes, ultimately we are fans of the TEAM first and players second.

I think the sad part is some people have those roles reversed.

We're 9-6 and knocking on the door of the playoffs, but we've spent the week debating the importance of ONE player.

Now that's sad.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Players come and go, that's not exclusive to the Redskins, that's the NFL, that's sports. Otherwise why do people remain fans of one team for decades? So yes, ultimately we are fans of the TEAM first and players second.

I think the sad part is some people have those roles reversed.

We're 9-6 and knocking on the door of the playoffs, but we've spent the week debating the importance of ONE player.

Now that's sad.

Yes, worrying about one player during this week is a bit sad. But luckily it is us and not the team. You and I are about the same age so we have seen both sides of the cap and non cap. I am a fan of both sides, and like the fact that you can add players. My only beef is that we as fans try to connect with players, and always root for certain individuals. In my case, I have rooted for several different players that I thought would be here for a while. Only to have them shown the door. some fans feel this is alienating them from the team, and some(like your self accept it as part of the business in the NFL) I dont think there is a right or wrong side of arguement. We all love the Skins and will root for them no matter who is playing, like the two scab years we had. My gripe, this season, is about the treatment of LaVar, but it hasn't always been. I bitched and moaned about Steven Davis, about letting Champ feel the way he did(which he was probably going to leave anyway) Mitchell, even Tre Johnson when he was a probowler. I liked that dude every since he took up for Brad Johnson during the playoffs that year and go kicked out of the game. Even Antonio Brown, I root for that guy like crazy after reading the article about what kind of life he had. All I am saying is ,fans as passionate as we are about our team, feel that we have a connection with the players on the field, and when they are mistreated for what ever the reasons are, get a little upset. I was furious with the Brian Mitchell and Steven Davis thing. Teams letting players go for cap reasons and such is part of the game, that I can agree on. I just dont think, and some other people to, that this organization handles things the right way when it comes down players or coaches for that fact.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

My take is this stuff happens all the time.
LaVar lacked "Tact".
Tack is doing things that actually bring you the result you seek.

If he seeks to be with Gibbs and this Team than what he did was not even in his own best interest.

Lavar now is singing the country song...
"I know what I was feeling but... WHAT WAS I THINKING?"