Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[53Fan]

RG3 and a ton of money could make Gruden and a lot of coaches change their minds about coming here.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Um...

I guess thats changed.

Replacing a Shanny with a Gruden, Cowher...just not a strong move imo. Doesnt make sense to me.

A move that I wouldnt mind (braces for attack) when it comes to retread at head coach would be Reid WITHOUT Marty Morningweg coming along.

[53Fan]

I'm pretty tired of hiring retreads myself. At least for HC. Seems like they win a SB then take a few years off waiting to be paid like they're the best or waiting for the perfect situation to come along.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm pretty tired of hiring retreads myself. At least for HC. Seems like they win a SB then take a few years off waiting to be paid like they're the best or waiting for the perfect situation to come along.

Bill Cower is a Marty Schottenheimer disciple who may be past his prime. If anyone recalls, the Pittsburgh Steelers went 7-9 the year after they won SB40. Jon Gruden would make a good coach but we have to look at why he was fired in Tampa Bay. The year he was fired the Bucs started off 9-3 and finished 9-7 to miss the playoffs. We need to be careful of who we want as our coach in the future.

I'd want a young coach like a John and Jim Harbaugh. Not hire a coach that has won SBs in the past. It always almost doesn't work out. Just look at George Seifert.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Bill Cower is a Marty Schottenheimer disciple who may be past his prime. If anyone recalls, the Pittsburgh Steelers went 7-9 the year after they won SB40. Jon Gruden would make a good coach but we have to look at why he was fired in Tampa Bay. The year he was fired the Bucs started off 9-3 and finished 9-7 to miss the playoffs. We need to be careful of who we want as our coach in the future.

I'd want a young coach like a John and Jim Harbaugh. Not hire a coach that has won SBs in the past. QIt always almost doesn't work out. Just look at George Seifert.

I agree. I'm really interested in guys like Roman. The OC for SF that SFREDSKIN brought up.

[Paintrain]

If there is a move made against MS (which I still doubt until his contract is up for renewal barring a disaster in 2013) you have to consider the personnel implications of changing coaches, especially on offense. Let's just look at some players who probably won't fit into other schemes (power running game, vertical passing game, etc.) as much as they do our current scheme:
Alfred Morris-One cut, downhill, zone runner. He probably wouldn't be as effective in getting chunk yardage in a power game and wouldn't fit much at all in a spread passing game relying on speed and quickness.
Stieger, Chester, Monty-Playing pretty well as a unit but probably won't fit into a scheme requiring power blocking or pass blocking for a 5-7 step dropback passing game or spread passing game. Even T. Williams to a lesser extent whose strengths are his mobility and athleticism may not be as effective in a power scheme.
Morgan, Hankerson, Garcon- Arguments exist about how productive they are now but they are best suited for a WCO type, YAC passing game, not a spread (none are particularly quick) or vertical (none have blazing speed) passing attack.

Those are just off the top of my head but it's just to make a point that just changing the leadership isn't a magical cure to what ails this team.

While I get the frustration and angst with the results of the current regime, one of the reasons the Giants, Steelers and Packers remain competitive and at or near the top of the league every year is because they have philosophies that the organization is committed to and they draft and coach to those philosophies, not changing them every 2-3 years to suit a new master.

[53Fan]

Well you do have guys out there like Roman who seems to be able to adapt his offense to his personell pretty well. He made David Carr look good..coached Luck at Stanford and has done a wonderful job with Alex Smith and SF's offense. Even Gibbs changed his style to a point when JKC told him to start running Riggins.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I wonder if there has ever been a losing team that doesn't have internal strife. Nobody likes to lose. It raises the level of stress and tension in any organization. Winning some games would quickly get things back in order.

Agreed. Beat the damn birds before we are a dang laughing stock. Finish the year strong - possible to be playing the Gints on Monday nite in a couple weeks for huge division crown implications and lets save the sorting out for the off season. I mean according to HTTR 24-7 even Haz is finishing the year so we are stuck with what we have. Beat the birds. Baby steps.

[Paintrain]

What am I missing on Roman? For all of the love he's getting on here, SF is ranked lower than us in all statistical categories offensively. Their defense is top 3 but I never watch Niner games and think, 'wow I wish our offense was like that!'

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What am I missing on Roman? For all of the love he's getting on here, SF is ranked lower than us in all statistical categories offensively. Their defense is top 3 but I never watch Niner games and think, 'wow I wish our offense was like that!'

Did you see what he did with Luck at Stanford? He can do the same with RGIII, currently with Smith his offense is dink and dunk which makes Smith Successful. He's the only out of 6 or 7 coordinators who has had success with Smith. Roman's style is like Gibbs, big physical OL, a tough pounding type RB and wide open offense with the right QB, in our case RGIII. He did it with Luck, don't go by his #'s look at his success with QB's. He knows to adapt to the type of QB he has.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If there is a move made against MS (which I still doubt until his contract is up for renewal barring a disaster in 2013) you have to consider the personnel implications of changing coaches, especially on offense. Let's just look at some players who probably won't fit into other schemes (power running game, vertical passing game, etc.) as much as they do our current scheme:
Alfred Morris-One cut, downhill, zone runner. He probably wouldn't be as effective in getting chunk yardage in a power game and wouldn't fit much at all in a spread passing game relying on speed and quickness.
Stieger, Chester, Monty-Playing pretty well as a unit but probably won't fit into a scheme requiring power blocking or pass blocking for a 5-7 step dropback passing game or spread passing game. Even T. Williams to a lesser extent whose strengths are his mobility and athleticism may not be as effective in a power scheme.
Morgan, Hankerson, Garcon- Arguments exist about how productive they are now but they are best suited for a WCO type, YAC passing game, not a spread (none are particularly quick) or vertical (none have blazing speed) passing attack.

Those are just off the top of my head but it's just to make a point that just changing the leadership isn't a magical cure to what ails this team.

While I get the frustration and angst with the results of the current regime, one of the reasons the Giants, Steelers and Packers remain competitive and at or near the top of the league every year is because they have philosophies that the organization is committed to and they draft and coach to those philosophies, not changing them every 2-3 years to suit a new master.

Yes but the other thing those teams have in common is great qb play which the offenses were built around. We have one now too. It starts there. The D is going to be the big question mark going forward. 4-3 or 3-4?

[los panda]

shanny stated that he plans on subcontracting the head coaching position. he's currently accepting proposals/bids

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What am I missing on Roman? For all of the love he's getting on here, SF is ranked lower than us in all statistical categories offensively. Their defense is top 3 but I never watch Niner games and think, 'wow I wish our offense was like that!'

I think the fact that he has no qb speaks volumes about him and their ability to win so many games. Their d has been sort of off lately dont you think?

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

RG3 and a ton of money could make Gruden and a lot of coaches change their minds about coming here.

That's what's wrong with redskins, quit throwing money at coaches with big egos. Go get a young up an coming GM and coach, who want to prove themselves.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by los panda

shanny stated that he plans on subcontracting the head coaching position. he's currently accepting proposals/bids

I bid one dollar. Works on the price is rite?