Loose Change

[724Skinsfan]

LOL! I can't believe this topic came back up. Actually, I have what I call a "comfort system" when playing roulette. Essentially, it's a pattern that makes me feel like I'm in control...until black/red is rolled 7 times in a row and I've lost $180.

[Schneed10]

The reason jsarno won't fully discuss his system publicly is because he's not confident enough in it himself to go out and make a living by using it.

Simple logic:

Per jsarno, the system works over the long haul. You may lose battles, but you'll win wars.

Therefore, over the long haul, there is no risk. You will win in the long term.

So if there's no risk, why not quit the job you were complaining about a few months ago when considering moving to Denver, and just use your system in Vegas to get extraordinarily rich, and retire to do whatever floats your boat?

There's a reason people spend the time writing a book about these things. It's easier to dupe uneducated morons into believing in gambling systems than it is to get one to actually work, in the long haul, by yourself.

In my opinion, writing a book on the matter, trying to convince people it works, is unethical (unless you really are dumb enough to ignore the laws of statistics and actually buy into it, but given that you have an MBA you have been through stat classes, so either you flunked that class or you're just flat out unethical). That's why I'm so critical of you. What you're doing with the book is flat out wrong.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The reason jsarno won't fully discuss his system publicly is because he's not confident enough in it himself to go out and make a living by using it.

Simple logic:

Per jsarno, the system works over the long haul. You may lose battles, but you'll win wars.

Therefore, over the long haul, there is no risk. You will win in the long term.

So if there's no risk, why not quit the job you were complaining about a few months ago when considering moving to Denver, and just use your system in Vegas to get extraordinarily rich, and retire to do whatever floats your boat?

There's a reason people spend the time writing a book about these things. It's easier to dupe uneducated morons into believing in gambling systems than it is to get one to actually work, in the long haul, by yourself.

In my opinion, writing a book on the matter, trying to convince people it works, is unethical (unless you really are dumb enough to ignore the laws of statistics and actually buy into it, but given that you have an MBA you have been through stat classes, so either you flunked that class or you're just flat out unethical). That's why I'm so critical of you. What you're doing with the book is flat out wrong.

Now you can lock this thread mods cause I am about to do what I usually don't.

Schneed ...you are bar none the biggest asshole on this site. The reason people don't like you here is cause you talk soooo much shit when you don't know what you're talking about. Is it a little penis syndrome...probably.
I have explained over and over to you that you CAN NOT be rich with this system of make a living off it cause it's not a "break the bank" system. I even went so far as to tell you in the past that if you played every day for a year using my system that you would only win around 60k. Yet you ignore everything I say? It's for fun and small winnings you piece of shit. I even gave you the bare basics and asked you to try it for free, and you didn't. Why? Cause you'd rather be prick that points his pussy little finger at others and points out flaws. Well good for you Schneed, you must be a really big man sitting there not trying a thing and "guessing" that it wouldn't work because of your so called education. You are the most narrow minded individual I have ever had the displeasure of knowing...internet or not. You are the typical fart sniffer.
It has nothing to do with you being critical, if it was, you would have stopped commenting on me a LONG TIME ago...so everyone should ask themselves, "why is schneed still going, when jsarno chose to stop and discuss things via PM?" Cause Schneed doesn't know how to handle himself with dignity and class, and he has his own little world that he lives in that exists only in his head. To put down others makes Schneed feel better cause he likely has a dead end job and a failed marriage or relationship (quite possibly the best relationship he has is with his right hand), and of COURSE none of it was his fault. His life sucks, and it's everyone else's fault...right schneed? Why else would you LIVE for going on a website and ignoring everything that people tell you and then point out over and over and over and over and over and over what you think, and don't even display it as opinion, but fact? We heard you the first time you egomaniacal putz. Why do you think no one wanted you at the game last year schneed? It's not cause you're a "hell-u-va" guy! Now do us all a favor, and for one ****ing time in your life, shut your damn pie hole. Be a credit to this site, not a damn self imposed judge, jury, and executioner. The fact that there was a joke here about how there would only be 10 people on this site if you were a mod speaks VOLUMES about your character.

I want to publicly apologize to everyone here for this post, and if mods see fit to ban me for a little while, I will accept with no fuss. My comments are uncalled for, for everyone to see anyway. I can just no longer take schneed's B.S. I have sat back and watched him be rude to person after person after person with little to no consequences, and I am tired of him berading people over and over again. It's enough...someone needed to say it. This site has gotten me through a lot of rough times, and I feel that a lot of you are like family, I enjoy coming to this site. But I usually have to scroll past a schneed post as it belittles someone, or it is just a "retarded thread" comment. I have had enough, and I could be silent about it no longer. I feel I lost quite a few IQ points just writing this post, but I feel it needed to be said. Again, I apologize to EVERYONE, EXCEPT Schneed. The rest of you didn't need to see this.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Now you can lock this thread mods cause I am about to do what I usually don't.

Schneed ...you are bar none the biggest asshole on this site. The reason people don't like you here is cause you talk soooo much shit when you don't know what you're talking about. Is it a little penis syndrome...probably.
I have explained over and over to you that you CAN NOT be rich with this system of make a living off it cause it's not a "break the bank" system. I even went so far as to tell you in the past that if you played every day for a year using my system that you would only win around 60k. Yet you ignore everything I say? It's for fun and small winnings you piece of shit. I even gave you the bare basics and asked you to try it for free, and you didn't. Why? Cause you'd rather be prick that points his pussy little finger at others and points out flaws. Well good for you Schneed, you must be a really big man sitting there not trying a thing and "guessing" that it wouldn't work because of your so called education. You are the most narrow minded individual I have ever had the displeasure of knowing...internet or not. You are the typical fart sniffer.
It has nothing to do with you being critical, if it was, you would have stopped commenting on me a LONG TIME ago...so everyone should ask themselves, "why is schneed still going, when jsarno chose to stop and discuss things via PM?" Cause Schneed doesn't know how to handle himself with dignity and class, and he has his own little world that he lives in that exists only in his head. To put down others makes Schneed feel better cause he likely has a dead end job and a failed marriage or relationship (quite possibly the best relationship he has is with his right hand), and of COURSE none of it was his fault. His life sucks, and it's everyone else's fault...right schneed? Why else would you LIVE for going on a website and ignoring everything that people tell you and then point out over and over and over and over and over and over what you think, and don't even display it as opinion, but fact? We heard you the first time you egomaniacal putz. Why do you think no one wanted you at the game last year schneed? It's not cause you're a "hell-u-va" guy! Now do us all a favor, and for one ****ing time in your life, shut your damn pie hole. Be a credit to this site, not a damn self imposed judge, jury, and executioner. The fact that there was a joke here about how there would only be 10 people on this site if you were a mod speaks VOLUMES about your character.

I want to publicly apologize to everyone here for this post, and if mods see fit to ban me for a little while, I will accept with no fuss. My comments are uncalled for, for everyone to see anyway. I can just no longer take schneed's B.S. I have sat back and watched him be rude to person after person after person with little to no consequences, and I am tired of him berading people over and over again. It's enough...someone needed to say it. This site has gotten me through a lot of rough times, and I feel that a lot of you are like family, I enjoy coming to this site. But I usually have to scroll past a schneed post as it belittles someone, or it is just a "retarded thread" comment. I have had enough, and I could be silent about it no longer. I feel I lost quite a few IQ points just writing this post, but I feel it needed to be said. Again, I apologize to EVERYONE, EXCEPT Schneed. The rest of you didn't need to see this.

LOL!!!

A summary for those who missed it, jsarno said something idiotic (his gambling system works), I called him idiotic, and now he acts idiotic. If it quacks like a duck...

You even convicted yourself further here as the Warpath Village Idiot by saying that your system will only win you 60K in a year. If you want to up those rewards, you easily can by heading over to the high roller tables where you can bet thousands per spin. Simply do the math, if it supposedly always works at low betting levels, it will always work on higher betting levels too (a roulette wheel is a roulette wheel no matter how much you're betting). There's no risk, right? So sell your house, cash in your 401K, close your bank accounts, and head to Vegas. You'll have pockets deep enough to execute your system with $100 to $1000 bets per spin. If it always works, what's the risk? You could make much more than $60K per year, well into the 6 figures.

But you're the expert on the system, I guess karma only works on the $10 tables?

As for your comments, they're so childish (no surprise there) that they don't deserve a response, except to say that if I've got a reputation around here, it's for calling it as I see it. And the way I see this? You're either:

1) A guy writing a book on a system in an attempt to prey upon the uneducated, hoping to sell books under the farce that a gambling system can mathematically work, or

2) You actually believe the system works, despite taking stat classes as part of your MBA curriculum, and are so hardheaded that you can't listen to countless educated statistics people on this site who tell you you're wrong.

That's how I see it, and either way I'm not a fan.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The reason jsarno won't fully discuss his system publicly is because he's not confident enough in it himself to go out and make a living by using it.

Simple logic:

Per jsarno, the system works over the long haul. You may lose battles, but you'll win wars.

Therefore, over the long haul, there is no risk. You will win in the long term.

So if there's no risk, why not quit the job you were complaining about a few months ago when considering moving to Denver, and just use your system in Vegas to get extraordinarily rich, and retire to do whatever floats your boat?

There's a reason people spend the time writing a book about these things. It's easier to dupe uneducated morons into believing in gambling systems than it is to get one to actually work, in the long haul, by yourself.

In my opinion, writing a book on the matter, trying to convince people it works, is unethical (unless you really are dumb enough to ignore the laws of statistics and actually buy into it, but given that you have an MBA you have been through stat classes, so either you flunked that class or you're just flat out unethical). That's why I'm so critical of you. What you're doing with the book is flat out wrong.

Precisely.

Furthermore, if it works so well and is as highly tuned and predictable as you say, how come you've only pulled in $13,000 in four years? That's a measly $3,250/year. If the system is that foolproof, why aren't you working it seven days a week and raking in the cash?

What's seems far more likely is that you have a moderate understanding of the game and probably just know when to quit when you're ahead. Anyone with the self-control and discipline to quit while they're ahead and cut their losses could amass $3,250/year.

EDIT: So apparently the topics in this thread change faster than I post. I apologize for my alarming lack of relevance.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Precisely.

Furthermore, if it works so well and is as highly tuned and predictable as you say, how come you've only pulled in $13,000 in four years? That's a measly $3,250/year. If the system is that foolproof, why aren't you working it seven days a week and raking in the cash?

What's seems far more likely is that you have a moderate understanding of the game and probably just know when to quit when you're ahead. Anyone with the self-control and discipline to quit while they're ahead and cut their losses could amass $3,250/year.

EDIT: So apparently the topics in this thread change faster than I post. I apologize for my alarming lack of relevance.

Ha...that's what I said when I came back. I read every post about the gambling sytem and this is my take, now a little late but, oh well.....

Being the gambler that I am, I don't believe in systems in any way but then again, I don't play games where the casino has any advantage. Thus leaving me with the only game possible; Poker. The house takes a rake but it's really gambler vs gambler. I've always heard of sure-fire ways to beat blackjack, roulette, etc but they can't be too foolproof because of the massive advantage the house holds over the player.

Like you said, jsarno probably has an excellent understanding of the game and the smarts to know when to quit. In the gambling world, that's the only system you really need.

It seems the limits and bets are smaller but thats seems to be more of a comfort zone thing which is also a matter of discipline. Gambling at most levels can probably be easily beaten with a decent amount of self-control, game knowledge and self-discipline.

[FRPLG]

We aen't really talking about stats. We are talking about statistical/mathimatical laws. Many of these laws are pretty obvious, at least I thought they were.

1+1 = 2 I doubt many would argue that

Given a coin with two sides there are only 2 outcomes and each is just as likely.

I think jsarno believes there is some more cosmic and karmic forces at work. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[hooskins]

Total thread hijack, but I dont think jsnaro believes there is some kind of karma.

he is adamant that his system works based ON stat and math. I really want to see how this book will refute basic statistics/logic.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Total thread hijack, but I dont think jsnaro believes there is some kind of karma.

he is adamant that his system works based ON stat and math. I really want to see how this book will refute basic statistics/logic.

karma is definitely involved, he's says as much if you scroll back a few posts

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Total thread hijack, but I dont think jsnaro believes there is some kind of karma.

he is adamant that his system works based ON stat and math. I really want to see how this book will refute basic statistics/logic.

Actually I think FRPLG is right, thinking back to the last time we talked about this, jsarno said something insane about "the universe tending to even itself out" or some such nonsense. He thinks it's that cosmic force that actually increases the probabilities of red and black at different times.

:yeahright

[Monkeydad]

How is this not locked yet?

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Buster

How is this not locked yet?

Because we're still discussing loose change here! lol

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buster

How is this not locked yet?

Karma and gambling?

C'mon, it doesn't get much better than that.

This thread is open for pure entertainment value.

[hooskins]

Ok I looked back at the posts and I now see the "karma" factor...
I really don't know what to think about all this...

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Ok I looked back at the posts and I now see the "karma" factor...
I really don't know what to think about all this...

There's really not much a logical, rational human being can think other than he's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.