Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

[12thMan]

The polls do vary some. That CNN poll does show a 1 point lead, but the Gallaup daily tracking poll has BHO up by 6 points. The average of polls show a lead of 3.4 points.

So we'll see what happens.

[dmek25]

this pick was strictly politics as usual. reaching out for the Hilliary supporters. the first thing i thought was, is this the best they could do? with her lack of experience, she makes Obama look worldly. there is no way in hell i want her one step away from running my country. almost laughable

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

this pick was strictly politics as usual. reaching out for the Hilliary supporters. the first thing i thought was, is this the best they could do? with her lack of experience, she makes Obama look worldly. there is no way in hell i want her one step away from running my country. almost laughable

I guess that Obama's pick was one of politics and just more of the same as we have gotten from Biden and his spending for years. It seems that the dems are scared of McCains pick and the lack of Obamas movment in the polls behind thier convention. Even Kerry had a 7% jump in the polls after his convention and Obama's didn't move at all. We still hear his call for change but see the same old Biden as his VP.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I guess that Obama's pick was one of politics and just more of the same as we have gotten from Biden and his spending for years. It seems that the dems are scared of McCains pick and the lack of Obamas movment in the polls behind thier convention. Even Kerry had a 7% jump in the polls after his convention and Obama's didn't move at all. We still hear his call for change but see the same old Biden as his VP.

fox news reporting Obama at 50% for the first time. and if Obama had picked some no one, everyone would be screaming about the lack of experience. and i think we all would agree that Joe Biden is a tad bit more qualified to run the country, then Mrs Palin

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

fox news reporting Obama at 50% for the first time. and if Obama had picked some no one, everyone would be screaming about the lack of experience. and i think we all would agree that Joe Biden is a tad bit more qualified to run the country, then Mrs Palin

Yea but while Biden is expanding goverment Palin has been cutting the size of goverment.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea but while Biden is expanding goverment Palin has been cutting the size of goverment.

She sure hasn't been shy about securing earmarks for Alaska...something that McCain continuously rails against. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/wash...=1&oref=slogin

[saden1]

John McCain is a leader and a capable one at that. He graduated from the Naval Academy and can be trusted with the Red Button.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by saden1

John McCain is a leader and a capable one at that. He graduated from the Naval Academy and can be trusted with the Red Button.

What Red Button?

[4mrusmc]

12th, my definiton will first start with what Webster says. And that is: one who loves his or her country. Then I will amend it by saying: one who is willing to defend it at all costs. One who believes in what the founding fathers sought for the vision of what this country should be in such documents as The Declaration of Indepenence, The Constitution, and The Bill of Rights.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

12th, my definiton will first start with what Webster says. And that is: one who loves his or her country. Then I will amend it by saying: one who is willing to defend it at all costs. One who believes in what the founding fathers sought for the vision of what this country should be in such documents as The Declaration of Indepenence, The Constitution, and The Bill of Rights.

Okay, I can dig that. But that definition is a little too abstract for me. What about those who don't or can't serve in the military. How are they to prove their love or defend our country? Surely that would leave out hundreds of millions of Americans, wouldn't it? Another thing, since you cite the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, how does the institution of slavery factor into this and more recently, the Jim Crow era, as it relates to our founding fathers and their ideals of sacracfice and service?

I'm not trying to stir the pot, just trying to see exactly when did America start loving and defending other Americans - all Americans.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Okay, I can dig that. But that definition is a little too abstract for me. What about those who don't or can't serve in the military. How are they to prove their love or defend our country? Surely that would leave out hundreds of millions of Americans, wouldn't it? Another thing, since you cite the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, how does the institution of slavery factor into this and more recently, the Jim Crow era, as it relates to our founding fathers and their ideals of sacracfice and service?

I'm not trying to stir the pot, just trying to see exactly when did America start loving and defending other Americans - all Americans.

12th, let me for one say that I am glad that we are having this discussion about impotant things that we feel very passionate about. Discussions like this will only educate people. And that is how we can learn more about each other.

Now to comment about your above post. As far as those who do not or can't serve our military. I don't have a problem with those people. And I didn't say that was a prerequisite to becoming commander-in-chief. But, my beef is with those people who are disrespectful to the flag and our country with their words and deeds.

Also, my parents would say that you know alot about a person by the type of people that they hang around. And all that I said earlier is that I think Obama hangs out with some suspect people who I think are influential to his thinking.

You referenced the institution of slavery. Let me be one of the many people to say that that was a terrible thing that happened in our nations past. And unfortunately that was going on before our nation really had a solvent government. Still this does not excuse it at all. It is however too bad that it has taken us hundreds of years to really get the We The People thing right.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by 4mrusmc

12th, let me for one say that I am glad that we are having this discussion about impotant things that we feel very passionate about. Discussions like this will only educate people. And that is how we can learn more about each other.

Now to comment about your above post. As far as those who do not or can't serve our military. I don't have a problem with those people. And I didn't say that was a prerequisite to becoming commander-in-chief. But, my beef is with those people who are disrespectful to the flag and our country with their words and deeds.

Also, my parents would say that you know alot about a person by the type of people that they hang around. And all that I said earlier is that I think Obama hangs out with some suspect people who I think are influential to his thinking.

You referenced the institution of slavery. Let me be one of the many people to say that that was a terrible thing that happened in our nations past. And unfortunately that was going on before our nation really had a solvent government. Still this does not excuse it at all. It is however too bad that it has taken us hundreds of years to really get the We The People thing right.

I didn't bring up slavery to make anyway feel sorry, but that it's just a chapter, a big chapter, of our nation's history. And as great as our Constitution is, we as a nation have, at times, struggled to reconcile our history of injustice and the what the Constitution stands for.

As far as Obama's friends or buddies. It's well documented that when Ayer's committed whatever it is he's accused of, Obama was eight years old. Had Obama been a friend of Ayer's at that time and espoused those same beliefs and actions, then I'd have a major problem with it. But he doesn't. This man, while still a little off his rocker, just isn't one of his close friends or colleagues. And if we are going to judge one relationship, then let's judge them in the context of all of his relationships.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Okay, I can dig that. But that definition is a little too abstract for me. What about those who don't or can't serve in the military. How are they to prove their love or defend our country? Surely that would leave out hundreds of millions of Americans, wouldn't it? Another thing, since you cite the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, how does the institution of slavery factor into this and more recently, the Jim Crow era, as it relates to our founding fathers and their ideals of sacracfice and service?

I'm not trying to stir the pot, just trying to see exactly when did America start loving and defending other Americans - all Americans.

I believe that patriotism is a feeling that should be conveyed in words, or, at the very least, is not a feeling we should try to hide. I think people should recognize the great many things this country has to offer and be proud of them. Unfortunately, I agree with some of the sentiments expressed earlier in this thread regarding the left. Many on the left will snicker, jeer and sneer at open expressions of love for one's country. In many circles it is definitely lame to fly a flag outside your home. To me, that is constitutes sheer "brattiness" and a failure to appreciate just how good we Americans have things.

However, I also believe patriotism is expressed through action. Failing to recognize flaws, or recognizing and ignoring them, is unpatriotic. Sacrificing liberty for safety is both selfish and unpatriotic. And, oftentimes, those on the right fail to recognize and correct the flaws in our past and present and tend to sacrifice liberty for safety.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I believe that patriotism is a feeling that should be conveyed in words, or, at the very least, is not a feeling we should try to hide. I think people should recognize the great many things this country has to offer and be proud of them. Unfortunately, I agree with some of the sentiments expressed earlier in this thread regarding the left. Many on the left will snicker, jeer and sneer at open expressions of love for one's country. In many circles it is definitely lame to fly a flag outside your home. To me, that is sad and sheer "brattiness" and a failure to appreciate just how good we Americans have things.

However, I also believe patriotism is expressed through action. Failing to recognize flaws, or recognizing and ignoring them, is unpatriotic. Sacrificing liberty for safety is both selfish and unpatriotic. And, oftentimes, those on the right fail to recognize the flaws in our past and present and tend to sacrifice liberty for safety.

Hmmm....so you believe patriotism is both a feeling and action. I like this.

[djnemo65]

So Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant. Personally, I don't consider this to be a story at all but people are talking about it so there you go. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us...hp&oref=slogin