Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated)

[freddyg12]

If not for the inevitable pr issue that would ensue (at least for a while), Vick would be great in dc. He could return punts & play wr w/a very limited role. Just to get him the ball on a screen pass would command some attention. He could play ARE's gadget plays much better & can throw an incredible bomb.

As a standard qb though, I agree w/those that say he's not needed here. Whoever (Al Davis) signs him will likely look at a variety of ways to get him the ball, direct snap or otherwise.

[JLee9718]

Vick needs to go to the Raiders...but he'll probably end up with the Redskins. I hope not, but my wishes aren't of any concern to Snyder.

[takethecake]

Personally, I'd like to see him go to the vikings now that the whole brett favre thing is dead... I think he's a better version of tarvaris jackson

[vallin21]

I just think there is too much to deal with if he signs with us. I honestly don't think he's changed that much, but he serverved his timed and should be fully reinstated. That said, if we did sign him it would tell me 3 things.

1) The FO doesn't think JC is a franchise QB.
2) Zorn has no influence in any personell discisions
3) They would be taking a huge PR risk, and it worries me that he's only 2-3 hours from his old neighborhood and could get influenced by the wrong people in DC.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

My thoughts on the matter:

1. I have not seen any evidence yet from Vick to make me think he's truly remorseful. Yes, he convinced the Commish to reinstate him, but if you believe that the interest and revenue Vick would bring to the NFL didn't factor heavily into the decision, then you're out of your mind.

2. That said, if Vick is truly a "changed man," it makes a lot of football sense to have him on the team:

A. Wildcat QB.
B. Familiar with the WCO.
C. Better #2 WCO QB than Todd Collins or Colt Brennan.
D. If Campbell sucks it up in 2009, we've got his replacement ready for 2010.
E. If Campbell is amazing in 2009, Vick's presence gives us significant negotiating leverage and flexibility in 2010 (i.e. we pay Jason less or can franchise and trade him to another team for a high value and already have a replacement on the roster.
F. We can sign him and then trade him to another WCO team if their QB goes down in the pre-season. (Teams timid about signing him now would be singing a different tune after observing his good behavior here)

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

My thoughts on the matter:

1. I have not seen any evidence yet from Vick to make me think he's truly remorseful. Yes, he convinced the Commish to reinstate him, but if you believe that the interest and revenue Vick would bring to the NFL didn't factor heavily into the decision, then you're out of your mind.

2. That said, if Vick is truly a "changed man," it makes a lot of football sense to have him on the team:

A. Wildcat QB.
B. Familiar with the WCO.
C. Better #2 WCO QB than Todd Collins or Colt Brennan.
D. If Campbell sucks it up in 2009, we've got his replacement ready for 2010.
E. If Campbell is amazing in 2009, Vick's presence gives us significant negotiating leverage and flexibility in 2010 (i.e. we pay Jason less or can franchise and trade him to another team for a high value and already have a replacement on the roster.
F. We can sign him and then trade him to another WCO team if their QB goes down in the pre-season. (Teams timid about signing him now would be singing a different tune after observing his good behavior here)

A. Doesn't apply to us or most NFL teams. The Ravens figured out how to shut it down last year so it's only a matter of time before all defenses figure it out. There's a reason why no NFL teams use an option system, it doesn't work against faster NFL defenders.

B. Not familiar with this system. I remember Atlanta being mainly a ground team with him, not a passing team...mainly because Vick made bad decisions and while had a strong arm, he was not an accurate passer. He's a great athlete, not a great or even a good QB. I said this BEFORE he did what he did with the dogs.

C. Collins...maybe you're right...Brennan could be a very solid backup or even replacement if he gains experience.

D. See Brennan notes in C.

E. Again, Vick was a mediocre QB and doesn't fit into our system.

F. Why would we do this? Wasted roster spot in speculation that another team loses their QBs and are one of the teams that would even consider him. Half of the league already declined in wanting him on their team.

So Vick is a huge NO. We do not need him. I do not want him.

[MTK]

We don't use the wildcat.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We don't use the wildcat.

I know what Zorns said, but 1) I dont necessarily beleive it would be advantageous for him to advertise it if we planned to use it and 2) we would use the wildcat if we had Vick.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I know what Zorns said, but 1) I dont necessarily beleive it would be advantageous for him to advertise it if we planned to use it and 2) we would use the wildcat if we had Vick.

Man, you love to speculate.

I'd rather go with what we know, Zorn has been pretty adamant in saying he has no plans in putting in the wildcat. If he hasn't studied it properly do you really think he's going to install it on the fly just for Vick, when he really doesn't seem to believe in it and has shown zero interest in it to date?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Man, you love to speculate.

I'd rather go with what we know, Zorn has been pretty adamant in saying he has no plans in putting in the wildcat. If he hasn't studied it properly do you really think he's going to install it on the fly just for Vick, when he really doesn't seem to believe in it and has shown zero interest in it to date?

I thought when Zorn was asked this question about the Wild Cat it was like mid season of last yr and he stated he was not interested. Some coach's tried it after they saw the success Miami had other who had not had time to study it chose not to use it. I wonder if Zorn was not going to step out of his little box and throw something new at a team who was trying to learn a new offense from the start. Now that he's had 6 months to review and see if it can work for the Skins would he use it?

Maybe I missed a more recent statement by him but as we all know this is a copy cat league. Rumor has it Belacheat has studied it over the off season cause he was impressed with what Miami did to him and wants to be able to not only stop it but use it against Miami.

Our running game was our strongest suit so if it still is this yr I would like to see more play action and maybe some flee flickers.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I thought when Zorn was asked this question about the Wild Cat it was like mid season of last yr and he stated he was not interested. Some coach's tried it after they saw the success Miami had other who had not had time to study it chose not to use it. I wonder if Zorn was not going to step out of his little box and throw something new at a team who was trying to learn a new offense from the start. Now that he's had 6 months to review and see if it can work for the Skins would he use it?

Maybe I missed a more recent statement by him but as we all know this is a copy cat league. Rumor has it Belacheat has studied it over the off season cause he was impressed with what Miami did to him and wants to be able to not only stop it but use it against Miami.

Our running game was our strongest suit so if it still is this yr I would like to see more play action and maybe some flee flickers.

This is what he said in May

Redskins Insider - Zorn Still Not Wild About the Wildcat

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Wildcat = gimmick/fad offensive set
Vick = one-dimensional gimmick/fad QB

Both will not help the Skins at all. I'm hoping and praying Zorn and Cerrato stand by their words concering the Wildcat/Vick.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Wildcat = gimmick/fad offensive set
Vick = one-dimensional gimmick/fad QB

Both will not help the Skins at all. I'm hoping and praying Zorn and Cerrato stand by their words concering the Wildcat/Vick.

Right on.

[SirClintonPortis]

Being a career 50% passer is a bad sign for any QB nowadays....Too bad he fits that description and the WCO is supposed to HELP raise completion percentage.

[MTK]

A Little Vick-Redskins Update

I just spoke to a league source who told me Michael Vick recently was saying he thought he would either join the Redskins or 49ers. But two other league sources told me there's nothing there with the Redskins, at least at the second I'm writing this. But the latter two sources also reminded me that anything can happen when Dan Snyder is determined to pursue a player. After all, as some of you have correctly pointed out, the Redskins last July said there was nothing in the works with Jason Taylor and then traded for Jason Taylor a bit later in the day.

I can't imagine that Jim Zorn would want any part of the circus-like atmosphere that would accompany Vick landing in Ashburn. I mean, these guys are getting ready to open training camp Thursday, the team struggled in the second half of Zorn's first season as a head coach and he probably needs to reach the playoffs to return for a third season. And after Snyder's attempts to replace Jason Campbell in the offseason, bringing in Vick would really help build the starting quarterback's confidence, wouldn't it?

Agent Joel Segal represents Campbell and Vick, and Segal knows Campbell as well as anyone. I just dont see this making sense.

Redskins Insider - A Little Vick-Redskins Update