Shanahan presser thread

[Paintrain]

I'd put their draft records as definitely hit and miss than 'more poor than good'. If you give a look at the Broncos '06 draft you've got 5 contributors (although Hixon on the Giants) while their '07 draft was a complete waste. The rest of the Broncos drafts are ok, not stellar but not crap either.

As for the Bucs drafts, '05 & '06 were decent, '07 & '08 were poor. Again hit and miss.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'd put their draft records as definitely hit and miss than 'more poor than good'. If you give a look at the Broncos '06 draft you've got 5 contributors (although Hixon on the Giants) while their '07 draft was a complete waste. The rest of the Broncos drafts are ok, not stellar but not crap either.

As for the Bucs drafts, '05 & '06 were decent, '07 & '08 were poor. Again hit and miss.

Most teams drafts are hit & miss which is why teams try to get as many picks as they can, to give them more chances for hits.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Probably isnt the proper thread for this, as it wasnt from the Shanahan presser, but later on that day, Both Allen and Shanahan did interviews on the John Thompson show. The most interesting thing from both was with Allen. Thompson was talking about how many other talented coaches have come here to try and fix things and they hadnt successed. Thompson asked Allen what the difference was between Allen and Shanahan and everyone else. Allen said started with some generic BS... "well its a different time, different situation..." and then he said that 2010 was an "unprecedented year in that it WILL BE UNCAPPED." Unfortunately, Thompson cut him off there to go on a tangent about somethign else, so Allen couldnt elaborate. My thoughts:

- The owners are deliberately going to ensure a new CBA is not reached before the deadline because they WANT an uncapped year. really, the uncapped year only benefits teams as it will allow them to get rid of players with bloated contracts, keep young players an extra year on the cheap, and have an extra tag to prevent players who are free agents from leaving if they so chose. There is ZERO motivation for owners to get a new deal done right now. One will not get done. 2010 will be uncapped.

- The skins are going to take advantage of the uncapped year to the full. Not only will we release and trade players with bloated contracts, but we will be the kings of free agency, signing both expected free agents and those "surprise cuts" who are released by other teams who are doing the same thing as us (releasing guys they dont want anymore).

- As a result, our roster will be old. very very old. We will have assemble a veteran team that has 2, maybe 3 years to reach the superbowl. However, since the year is uncapped, we can structure contracts of these players to be front-heavy, so when a cap is re-established for 2011, we won't have the problems we currently have with guys like Portis, Samuels and Thomas, who's contracts far outweigh their actual value.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Probably isnt the proper thread for this, as it wasnt from the Shanahan presser, but later on that day, Both Allen and Shanahan did interviews on the John Thompson show. The most interesting thing from both was with Allen. Thompson was talking about how many other talented coaches have come here to try and fix things and they hadnt successed. Thompson asked Allen what the difference was between Allen and Shanahan and everyone else. Allen said started with some generic BS... "well its a different time, different situation..." and then he said that 2010 was an "unprecedented year in that it WILL BE UNCAPPED." Unfortunately, Thompson cut him off there to go on a tangent about somethign else, so Allen couldnt elaborate. My thoughts:

- The owners are deliberately going to ensure a new CBA is not reached before the deadline because they WANT an uncapped year. really, the uncapped year only benefits teams as it will allow them to get rid of players with bloated contracts, keep young players an extra year on the cheap, and have an extra tag to prevent players who are free agents from leaving if they so chose. There is ZERO motivation for owners to get a new deal done right now. One will not get done. 2010 will be uncapped.

- The skins are going to take advantage of the uncapped year to the full. Not only will we release and trade players with bloated contracts, but we will be the kings of free agency, signing both expected free agents and those "surprise cuts" who are released by other teams who are doing the same thing as us (releasing guys they dont want anymore).

- As a result, our roster will be old. very very old. We will have assemble a veteran team that has 2, maybe 3 years to reach the superbowl. However, since the year is uncapped, we can structure contracts of these players to be front-heavy, so when a cap is re-established for 2011, we won't have the problems we currently have with guys like Portis, Samuels and Thomas, who's contracts far outweigh their actual value.

1) It is possible that the owners are dragging their feet intentionally. But it is also true that everyone, owners and players, are waiting to see how the American Needle case shakes out. There's no point in designing a new CBA until that case is resolved.

2) The salary cap system is unlikely to return in a new CBA.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

1) It is possible that the owners are dragging their feet intentionally. But it is also true that everyone, owners and players, are waiting to see how the American Needle case shakes out. There's no point in designing a new CBA until that case is resolved.

I need to read up on this american needle thing. PFT had an article on it but i didnt pay any attention to it. Will go back and take a look at it.

Originally Posted by Lotus

2) The salary cap system is unlikely to return in a new CBA.

I've heard that stated before, but i've never seen a legitimate reason for it. Given that there wont be many (if any) marquee players available in free agency this offseason, i don't think there will be a big spending spree with players getting obscene amounts of money. I certainly don't think there's anyone that will get a contract approaching the deal Haynesworth signed. Thus, there's no reason for the players to really push for a capless CBA. And certainly the owners all want a cap. Sure, a few would prefer no to have a salary floor, but i imagine most of the owners benefit from the system, as they arent "forced" to spend ridiculous amounts of money to remain competitive.

so what am i missing? why is it you feel a cap won't come back?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I need to read up on this american needle thing. PFT had an article on it but i didnt pay any attention to it. Will go back and take a look at it.



I've heard that stated before, but i've never seen a legitimate reason for it. Given that there wont be many (if any) marquee players available in free agency this offseason, i don't think there will be a big spending spree with players getting obscene amounts of money. I certainly don't think there's anyone that will get a contract approaching the deal Haynesworth signed. Thus, there's no reason for the players to really push for a capless CBA. And certainly the owners all want a cap. Sure, a few would prefer no to have a salary floor, but i imagine most of the owners benefit from the system, as they arent "forced" to spend ridiculous amounts of money to remain competitive.

so what am i missing? why is it you feel a cap won't come back?

I do not have a lot of insight into the future of the cap but this is what I understand: The cap system appears done because the owners voluntarily opted out. It was a concession to the owners from the beginning, so I don't see players wanting to keep it alive if the owners do not. Therefore, if the owners lose the American Needle case in terms of labor issues, it would seem that some new system will be erected. If the owners win the American Needle case in terms of labor issues, then the point may be moot because free agency may disappear.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Probably isnt the proper thread for this, as it wasnt from the Shanahan presser, but later on that day, Both Allen and Shanahan did interviews on the John Thompson show. The most interesting thing from both was with Allen. Thompson was talking about how many other talented coaches have come here to try and fix things and they hadnt successed. Thompson asked Allen what the difference was between Allen and Shanahan and everyone else. Allen said started with some generic BS... "well its a different time, different situation..." and then he said that 2010 was an "unprecedented year in that it WILL BE UNCAPPED." Unfortunately, Thompson cut him off there to go on a tangent about somethign else, so Allen couldnt elaborate. My thoughts:

- The owners are deliberately going to ensure a new CBA is not reached before the deadline because they WANT an uncapped year. really, the uncapped year only benefits teams as it will allow them to get rid of players with bloated contracts, keep young players an extra year on the cheap, and have an extra tag to prevent players who are free agents from leaving if they so chose. There is ZERO motivation for owners to get a new deal done right now. One will not get done. 2010 will be uncapped.

- The skins are going to take advantage of the uncapped year to the full. Not only will we release and trade players with bloated contracts, but we will be the kings of free agency, signing both expected free agents and those "surprise cuts" who are released by other teams who are doing the same thing as us (releasing guys they dont want anymore).

- As a result, our roster will be old. very very old. We will have assemble a veteran team that has 2, maybe 3 years to reach the superbowl. However, since the year is uncapped, we can structure contracts of these players to be front-heavy, so when a cap is re-established for 2011, we won't have the problems we currently have with guys like Portis, Samuels and Thomas, who's contracts far outweigh their actual value.

The points you've made probably offers some insight to the latest thread about the prospects of Portis returning. Many look for the team to surely dismiss the likes of Samuels (who'll probably just retire on his own) Daniels, Wynn and even Portis among others whose value has diminished. While we will rid ourselves of some older players, others may be added.

Somehow I have a feeling that in this regard, Bruce Allen is much like his father, embracing the old "The future is now" doctrine, he has demonstrated a fondness for older players so it may be worth watching to see how this process plays with al those having in-put in the player selection process.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The points you've made probably offers some insight to the latest thread about the prospects of Portis returning. Many look for the team to surely dismiss the likes of Samuels (who'll probably just retire on his own) Daniels, Wynn and even Portis among others whose value has diminished. While we will rid ourselves of some older players, others may be added.

Somehow I have a feeling that in this regard, Bruce Allen is much like his father, embracing the old "The future is now" doctrine, he has demonstrated a fondness for older players so it may be worth watching to see how this process plays with al those having in-put in the player selection process.

I can definitely see Julius Peppers being added... I just can't see Carolina paying to keep him and we know that Snyder, Shanahan, and Allen all love to spend on FA. That is one thing that concerns me, Gibbs "overdid it" when he returned to the NFL spending money like a kid in a candy store. Allen had such a stingy owner in Tampa Bay, he may be inclined to overdo it having an owner like Snyder. If there's no cap, I really don't care though... just worried about the potential implications if/when the cap returns.

[SmootSmack]

This would make for good discussion in the American Needle thread

[irish]

I see that people rightfully think that an uncapped year will mean big contracts for some players and outrageous bidding wars, but I think the most action is going to happen on the low end. In the end I think only a few players will really cash in on this uncapped year while I think the owners will use this to work on reducing contract amounts as a whole. I think a lot more players will lose out rather than gain as a result of this uncapped year.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

There's an american needle thread? which forum? an hour ago i had never heard of the thing and now its taking over everywhere!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

There's an american needle thread? which forum? an hour ago i had never heard of the thing and now its taking over everywhere!

Do a search, been there all week

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do a search, been there all week

it obviously was harder to find then a needle in a haystack!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

There's an american needle thread? which forum? an hour ago i had never heard of the thing and now its taking over everywhere!

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...le-vs-nfl.html

I've been waiting for any Warpath lawyers to chime in. This seems like the most important current thread, although the crowd seems to disagree through apathy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...le-vs-nfl.html

I've been waiting for any Warpath lawyers to chime in. This seems like the most important current thread, although the crowd seems to disagree.

My timing for posting it this week may have been a bit off. I've been meaning to post it for months but never got around to it.