Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

One should also not get too carried away with hearsay and rumors. A lot of assuming is going on when it comes to the AH situation.

i dont think the hearsay and rumors are any more trustworthy inofthemselves than the official public statements by the redskins or haynesworth. i just feel like haynesworth's public statements don't fit the bigger picture as well. as i keep saying, actions speak louder than words. in the end, we won't know for sure until everything is said and done. if haynesworth is traded or becomes a problem on- or off- the field for the team this year, we'll have our definative answer. if he shows up for mandatory activities and dominates during the regular season when it matters, then that will be our answer too. but if that happens, i'll allow you all to pick a humiliating avatar/sig/ID and assign it to me indefinately.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

i dont think the hearsay and rumors are any more trustworthy inofthemselves than the official public statements by the redskins or haynesworth. i just feel like haynesworth's public statements don't fit the bigger picture as well. as i keep saying, actions speak louder than words. in the end, we won't know for sure until everything is said and done. if haynesworth is traded or becomes a problem on- or off- the field for the team this year, we'll have our definative answer. if he shows up for mandatory activities and dominates during the regular season when it matters, then that will be our answer too. but if that happens, i'll allow you all to pick a humiliating avatar/sig/ID and assign it to me indefinately.

So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

All Haynesworth has said is that he'd prefer to play DE in the 3-4, because he feels that he'd be more useful and effective. However, he has also said that he'd play whatever the coaches tell him to play.

And you don't sound like a fool for saying it!!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Both sides are unreliable period. I just tend to stick with has been said by Haynesworth and Shanahan regarding this situation, unless something else comes out from either of these two sources. In the end, Mike Florio and Jason LaCanfora and anybody else out there that you are following word by word are just secondary sources.

Unless Haynesworth comes out and says that he wants to be traded or Shanahan says that they want to trade Haynesworth, all you are doing is speculating just like these other guys. While I don't agree with Haynesworth's actions, unlike you, I don't think this is all a big deal.

how often to players who've just got a 20MM check from their current employer come out and say they want to be traded? there is some speculation with guys like florio and JLC, but there are also underlying "facts" that they are reporting. Take, for example, the unnamed source close to Haynesworth that said he wanted to play for the Vikings. you can't simply take a statement like that at face value. you have to consider the likelyhood that the source is accurate and, if its not accurate, consider what the unnamed source would have to gain by submitting false information to a member of the media.

ideally, this will all blow over and haynesworth will have a pro-bowl year and be great for the skins for the next 3 years of his contract. if haynesworth weren't the only player skipping minicamp, or he'd publically provided a legitimate reason for not showing up for three days like everyone else, i'd be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Given everything the redskins have done for him, I don't think showing up for a 3-day minicamp (even if he skips the rest of OTAs) is asking too much.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.

as ive said, the rumors tend to fit more accurately in the bigger picture. however, i do beleive that some of the rumors may be exaggerated or blown out of proportion as information is diluted from one person to the next before it finally gets reported. however, for me, the bottom line is that actions speak louder than words. if haynesworth really wanted to be the best player he could be, he'd be attending mini-camp, even if he worked out on his own. whether haynesworth is actively trying to force a trade or not, his absence from minicamp, without any other plausible explanation, can only be seen as a means of his expressing displeasure with the coaching staff. there is definitely a rift between coaches and haynesworth and, at this point, he doesnt seem interested in fixing it.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So why do you seem to be siding more with the rumors?

The truth probably lies in the middle somewhere.

In legal terms called, assuming facts not in evidence.

[mlmdub130]

how in the f did this god damn thread make it to 11 pages?????????

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

how in the f did this god damn thread make it to 11 pages?????????

Because on a daily basis the NFL Network (JLC) and ESPN keep trying to increase their viewership/ratings numbers by creating sensationalistic stories through rumors.
I was astounded a couple of days ago on ESPN TV with a segment lead line that said, "Disgruntled Albert Haynesworth who is rumored to be forcing a trade......" I was floored that this was the first sentence lead in to a segment and it was being reported as fact Then several minutes later into the story comes the disclaimer...'well AH might not be disgruntled and this is rumor and hearsay.' WTF kind of news reporting is this? National Enquirer.
Then guys here on the Warpath swallow it hook line and sinker as fact.
The other example that made me laugh was Jason LaConfora on NFL Newtwork last week. He was on a panel discussing their biggest disappointments of the draft, of course JLC said with a very sour look on his face, 'my biggest disappointment was the Redskins really blew it by not trading trouble maker Haynesworth for a 2nd or 3rd round pick." LOL!
What GM in his right mind would trade a top 5 DT in the NFL for a 2nd or 3rd. Especially when 2nd and 3rd overall picks in the same draft were unproven DT's that play with the same type of disruptive force. So JLC want us to give up a proven top 5 DT in the NFL for a third round pick? That is stupid.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Because on a daily basis the NFL Network (JLC) and ESPN keep trying to increase their viewership/ratings numbers by creating sensationalistic stories through rumors.
I was astounded a couple of days ago on ESPN TV with a segment lead line that said, "Disgruntled Albert Haynesworth who is rumored to be forcing a trade......" I was floored that this was the first sentence lead in to a segment and it was being reported as fact Then several minutes later into the story comes the disclaimer...'well AH might not be disgruntled and this is rumor and hearsay.' WTF kind of news reporting is this? National Enquirer.
Then guys here on the Warpath swallow it hook line and sinker as fact.
The other example that made me laugh was Jason LaConfora on NFL Newtwork last week. He was on a panel discussing their biggest disappointments of the draft, of course JLC said with a very sour look on his face, 'my biggest disappointment was the Redskins really blew it by not trading trouble maker Haynesworth for a 2nd or 3rd round pick." LOL!
What GM in his right mind would trade a top 5 DT in the NFL for a 2nd or 3rd. Especially when 2nd and 3rd overall picks in the same draft were unproven DT's that play with the same type of disruptive force. So JLC want us to give up a proven top 5 DT in the NFL for a third round pick? That is stupid.

I like the examples you cite...... It just serves to further demonstrate what a farce sports journalism has become (or should I say "sports reporting"). With so many outlets providing information it has been reduced to "gossip" as opposed to responsible journalism.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't know about a foxhole, but on the field I want the best players playing in the position that suits them the best. Personally, I don't think being at voluntary work outs is a sacrifice, but I do understand why it would be good to have everyone at these voluntary workouts.

I agree. I'm not a fan of this 3-4 switch either, but whether we're in a 3-4 or 4-3 or nickel or dime or whatever, that has nothing to do with AH being here for the mini-camp.

Outside of his injuries, Shawn Springs missed a number of voluntary camps/workouts, and I'm sure a lot of people would have wanted him in the foxhole.

I wouldn't have wanted Springs in a foxhole with me, he's another guy who had different priorities and his teammates weren't at the top of the list. I understand not everyone has the same level of committment, but if you can't make the same committment as 50+ other teammates, that's a "you" problem.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

So you want the Redskins to build a roster based on attendance and being a good boyscout as opposed to skill and play on the field? Not me.
You talk about who you want in the foxhole with you. Look at who was the only ballsy Redskin that ran to DeAngelo Halls defense when NY Giants Beatty and Jacobs tried to jack up DeAngelo. AH. No other Redskins player on the field had the guts to defend their teammate. YouTube - Giants fight

Slow down there....where did I mention anything about building a team of "boyscouts". There was 99% attendance, AH was the only one who missed. Did I say cut him, no. I just stated that he's a selfish, "me first" dude. Let's call him what he is, a very large physical presence that makes a positive difference on the DL for 67% of the snaps each year. He's a mercenary and a nuisance behavior wise. He is not committed to the team, only to himself. If he was committed to the team, he would've been at mini-camp.

On the vid, I saw it when it happened, and there were plenty of Skins there to defend Hall, although AH was the only one swinging wildly and getting flagged.

[JLee9718]

Albert will be rolling on the field out of breath just one time under Shanahan and he'll be benched! As he should be! I hate it when the 'Skins make such stupid deals in signing free agents.

[NYCskinfan82]

The blew him up on the Jim Rome's show "ROME IS BURNING".

[over the mountain]

I think ive come full circle on this whole haynesworth thing thats been bothering me.

He and his agent tried to fleece us for over 32 mil for 13 months then go on to another team and sign another big contract.

But he didnt get traded.

Its really quite beautiful. We only gotta pay his ass something like 3.2 mil this year and the next few years his contract is still in the 5-6 mil range.

So let him go on record saying hes working hard to get in shape, let his "making 3.2 million dollars a year" butt take off for involuntaries.

Shoot! that mofo is screwed. he bluffed, shanny and allen didnt take the bait.

it doesnt matter what he does, hes worth 3.2 mil and the headache.

[SmootSmack]

OTM-Didn't know Snyder was having lunch weekly with AH, just that he had an open door policy with him (as with all other players). I knew about the weekly lunches, didn't take that to be meddling per se though I thought it was kind of lame

But anyway, this isn't about DS