Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Yes but it's also for post-draft and inseason moves (ie unsigned free agents, guys go on IR, etc.).

gotcha

[Chico23231]

Even with no first rounder?

[MTK]

» Over the Cap- 2013 NFL Draft Rookie Pool Allocations

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

» Over the Cap- 2013 NFL Draft Rookie Pool Allocations

Nice link... we're the only team with a Signing bonus allocation less than year one allocation.

[T.O.Killa]

I am thinking that not having a first round pick means you need a much smaller rookie pool.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I am thinking that not having a first round pick means you need a much smaller rookie pool.

It stands to reason...

[That Guy]

i'd be shocked if we needed more than 4mill for rookies. they'll all basically be vet min deals. only the 2nd round guy is going to get any kind of money, and he's a late pick at that.

plus any of the late rounders that don't make it out of camp disappear. yay for non-guaranteed contracts.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i'd be shocked if we needed more than 4mill for rookies. they'll all basically be vet min deals. only the 2nd round guy is going to get any kind of money, and he's a late pick at that.

plus any of the late rounders that don't make it out of camp disappear. yay for non-guaranteed contracts.

Polian basically said you need 3-4 mil for the draftees which you know exactly how much based on research of where your draft picks are based on the new rookie wage scale. They would then estimate one to two trades up just to have some wiggle room. They would then evaluate the roster for people they think could be reasonably likely to end up on IR and budget for that. Between that and 8 practice squad guys you are looking at 4-5 mil which put him at his figure of 8.5-9 mil in space.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Polian basically said you need 3-4 mil for the draftees which you know exactly how much based on research of where your draft picks are based on the new rookie wage scale. They would then estimate one to two trades up just to have some wiggle room. They would then evaluate the roster for people they think could be reasonably likely to end up on IR and budget for that. Between that and 8 practice squad guys you are looking at 4-5 mil which put him at his figure of 8.5-9 mil in space.

But we don't have a first round pick, which means we need to keep about $800,000 free for the draft class.

Teams with high first round picks need to keep $4-5.5 million on hand. Our rookie class almost drops our salary figure.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Polian basically said you need 3-4 mil for the draftees which you know exactly how much based on research of where your draft picks are based on the new rookie wage scale. They would then estimate one to two trades up just to have some wiggle room. They would then evaluate the roster for people they think could be reasonably likely to end up on IR and budget for that. Between that and 8 practice squad guys you are looking at 4-5 mil which put him at his figure of 8.5-9 mil in space.

you mean IR rookie draftees that don't get injury settlements, which is likely 1 guy that wouldn't even be in the top 51 anyways. i didn't talk about trades, I said for our DRAFT CLASS. our 2nd round pick will be about 35 maybe? on the top 51, the rest probably don't even register.

[CRedskinsRule]

You still only have to the cap space once you actually sign them right? It's not like draft day the NFL docks you xMil for rookie pool

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You still only have to the cap space once you actually sign them right? It's not like draft day the NFL docks you xMil for rookie pool

Effectively yes, because they just dock you league minimum per player drafted until they sign.

So if you had less than 51 players under contract, draft day could put you over the cap, in theory.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Effectively yes, because they just dock you league minimum per player drafted until they sign.

So if you had less than 51 players under contract, draft day could put you over the cap, in theory.

well ok, but we have our 51 highest, and I guess my question is, how many rookies from the 3rd thru 7th round will be in the top 51? I wouldn't think any of them, so effectively only our 2nd rounder would possibly be a cap hit of any significance.

For example last years 51st pick, Jerel Worthy for Green Bay, had a cap hit of 717,855.
at number 31 on our roster, but he would knock out AlfMo, so the additional cap hit would only be about 160,000.

I think without the 1st round pick this year our safety cap space is much less than in a normal year. crazy year all around in the skins salary cap world that's for sure.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

well ok, but we have our 51 highest, and I guess my question is, how many rookies from the 3rd thru 7th round will be in the top 51? I wouldn't think any of them, so effectively only our 2nd rounder would possibly be a cap hit of any significance.

For example last years 51st pick, Jerel Worthy for Green Bay, had a cap hit of 717,855.
at number 31 on our roster, but he would knock out AlfMo, so the additional cap hit would only be about 160,000.

I think without the 1st round pick this year our safety cap space is much less than in a normal year. crazy year all around in the skins salary cap world that's for sure.

yeah, our 2nd rounder would knock out whoever's #51 right now, and the difference between him and the guy he replaced would be the actual cap hit.

the skins will be paying out 3.5-4mill to drafted/undrafted rookies, but the actual cap hit will be maybe 400k for our #2 pick.

the draft is SOO much better in terms of value since the new CBA.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

well ok, but we have our 51 highest, and I guess my question is, how many rookies from the 3rd thru 7th round will be in the top 51? I wouldn't think any of them, so effectively only our 2nd rounder would possibly be a cap hit of any significance.

For example last years 51st pick, Jerel Worthy for Green Bay, had a cap hit of 717,855.
at number 31 on our roster, but he would knock out AlfMo, so the additional cap hit would only be about 160,000.

I think without the 1st round pick this year our safety cap space is much less than in a normal year. crazy year all around in the skins salary cap world that's for sure.

You're right. It's negligible.

I mean, once you accept that the Redskins were kind of cornered into a free agency strategy that was probably the best one to take all along, the cap penalty becomes a non issue. It's negative effects are in the past now, and the Redskins can more or less do whatever they want with the remaining free agents, draft, and trades. Getting the money back now would be awesome for cap rollover purposes, but if you look as the penalty as the thing that forced the Redskins to be disciplined in free agency, I think it was overall a net positives.

This is not an endorsement of every move the Redskins made the last two years (Ced Griff, Trueblood were both pointless money dumps), but the tempered approach in free agency has changed our cap/roster talent situation from the worst in the division, to possibly the best.