Democratic Primary Push for White House

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

With these easy steps you too can have peace of mind G1.

LOL, it's a thought but then jr will never realize just how off the wall he is.

[CRedskinsRule]

My current theory on Bloomberg is that he is the neverTrumper conservatives insurance policy.

I think he has held out from debates so he doesn't get labeled a liberal democrat, then he will shift to an independent campaign with the sole purpose of drawing off enough support from Trump to prevent his re-election. If he were campaigning as an independent or republican he wouldnt have the media gawking over his potential, but by playing close to the democratic sandbox the media keeps his name alive.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My current theory on Bloomberg is that he is the neverTrumper conservatives insurance policy.

I think he has held out from debates so he doesn't get labeled a liberal democrat, then he will shift to an independent campaign with the sole purpose of drawing off enough support from Trump to prevent his re-election. If he were campaigning as an independent or republican he wouldnt have the media gawking over his potential, but by playing close to the democratic sandbox the media keeps his name alive.

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He is the trump alternative but still a rich white guy who is a smart business man who ran NYC .He can work with everyone.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Andrew Yang just dropped out today. Kind of sad thought he had some interesting ideas.

[CRedskinsRule]

Pure unfettered capitalism is bad. That is fairly obvious because the wealth collection leads to inherent inequalities like BaltimoreSkins said.

BUT even unfettered capitalism is far superior to any form of economic structure predicated on socialism first. And there is a simple reason. Socialism, and Marxism by extension, take away the natural incentive that human beings need to excel. In socialism, one gains no advantage to being better than others, in fact quite often the reverse is true - if you are more motivated to earn a higher wage, the benefits of your effort is taken from you and passed on to those who were less motivated. And that kills human spirit and drive quicker than unfettered capitalism's poverty.

Unfettered capitalism's poverty puts human beings in terrible places, and in a Darwinian way sifts the wheat from the chaff. Some people who don't know where their next meal will come from, but have hope of escape will use that hope and grow. Most will not.

So the real question is not whether socialism or capitalism is bad or good, but how do you balance the value of human life (which pure socialism values with equality) with the mechanism of hope and incentive that pure capitalism creates through wealth diversity and distribution.

Personally, and I know it is an unattainable goal because government bureaucracy will never give up it's power, but I think all specific aid programs should be converted to one bureau, and that every person over 18 should be given up to 22K a year. If you earn 22001 you get 0 from aid. if you earn 18000 you get 4K. I realize that this creates a disincentive but 22k is purely sustaining a life. No frills. So the incentive to work and earn more exists without having anyone suffer pure abject capitalistism's poverty. Along with that would I would support a cataclysmic insurance system with strong checks.

The 22K is a relatively arbitrary number that is more for example. I would think that the actual number should be a calculated number based on the cost of 1 person living in an average cost of living, with an actuarial table of insurance and rent and food expenses.

The key point is that government bureacracy is reduced to near zero. IRS collects, one agency calculates the yearly number, and IRS disburses monthly checks based on the previous year's tax returns. From there individuals rise and fall on their ability. If someone takes that monthly check and spends it poorly then they face the consequences of their choices. If someone manages to spend less than the monthly check and saves, then they reap the benefits of their choices.

anyway. that's my thought for the day

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Personally, and I know it is an unattainable goal because government bureaucracy will never give up it's power, but I think all specific aid programs should be converted to one bureau, and that every person over 18 should be given up to 22K a year. If you earn 22001 you get 0 from aid. if you earn 18000 you get 4K. I realize that this creates a disincentive but 22k is purely sustaining a life. No frills.

anyway. that's my thought for the day

Interesting thought of the day.

I personally dont like the idea of free money. I live in an apartment/town house neighborhood with section 8 families, and I love the kids, theyre friends with my daughter, i made like 6 grilled cheese sandwiches for them this weekend and they hang in my house a lot.

But their mom and dad dont work. Doesnt appear they try to work. Doesdnt appear they try to even get their kids to school. I went to law school, work kinda hard, wake up early every day I answer the bell .. yet we live in identical townhouses. I am living below what i could but still.

They got into a big car accident, took a vacation to Florida, bought a new used car and within a month it doesnt run anymore, tag expired and it sits there in the parking lot. You give my section 8 neighbors 22k and they are spending it in 1 month and then right back to needing 100% assistance.

Flip side - my ex cant get on section 8 bc MD stop taking names, has applied to a billion jobs and cant get hired and im paying like 2k plus a month for her. She would homeless ... she tries her ass off, she wants to work, shes a good person and somehow since she doesnt know the system she gets zero assistance but my neighbors get a townhouse ...

Id vote Kasich for sure.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Interesting thought of the day.



I personally dont like the idea of free money. I live in an apartment/town house neighborhood with section 8 families, and I love the kids, theyre friends with my daughter, i made like 6 grilled cheese sandwiches for them this weekend and they hang in my house a lot.



But their mom and dad dont work. Doesnt appear they try to work. Doesdnt appear they try to even get their kids to school. I went to law school, work kinda hard, wake up early every day I answer the bell .. yet we live in identical townhouses. I am living below what i could but still.



They got into a big car accident, took a vacation to Florida, bought a new used car and within a month it doesnt run anymore, tag expired and it sits there in the parking lot. You give my section 8 neighbors 22k and they are spending it in 1 month and then right back to needing 100% assistance.



Flip side - my ex cant get on section 8 bc MD stop taking names, has applied to a billion jobs and cant get hired and im paying like 2k plus a month for her. She would homeless ... she tries her ass off, she wants to work, shes a good person and somehow since she doesnt know the system she gets zero assistance but my neighbors get a townhouse ...



Id vote Kasich for sure.

The only thing i would say is in my system, if someone blows the 22k there is no additional assistance. At first of course the shock would be overwhelming but any additional charity would be that charity from private citizens. On the other side if three 20 year olds got a small bedroom and minimized other expenses, they could invest much of their living capital to finance a small car shop in a way not possible now.

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[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Pure unfettered capitalism is bad. That is fairly obvious because the wealth collection leads to inherent inequalities like BaltimoreSkins said.

BUT even unfettered capitalism is far superior to any form of economic structure predicated on socialism first. And there is a simple reason. Socialism, and Marxism by extension, take away the natural incentive that human beings need to excel. In socialism, one gains no advantage to being better than others, in fact quite often the reverse is true - if you are more motivated to earn a higher wage, the benefits of your effort is taken from you and passed on to those who were less motivated. And that kills human spirit and drive quicker than unfettered capitalism's poverty.

Unfettered capitalism's poverty puts human beings in terrible places, and in a Darwinian way sifts the wheat from the chaff. Some people who don't know where their next meal will come from, but have hope of escape will use that hope and grow. Most will not.

So the real question is not whether socialism or capitalism is bad or good, but how do you balance the value of human life (which pure socialism values with equality) with the mechanism of hope and incentive that pure capitalism creates through wealth diversity and distribution.

Personally, and I know it is an unattainable goal because government bureaucracy will never give up it's power, but I think all specific aid programs should be converted to one bureau, and that every person over 18 should be given up to 22K a year. If you earn 22001 you get 0 from aid. if you earn 18000 you get 4K. I realize that this creates a disincentive but 22k is purely sustaining a life. No frills. So the incentive to work and earn more exists without having anyone suffer pure abject capitalistism's poverty. Along with that would I would support a cataclysmic insurance system with strong checks.

The 22K is a relatively arbitrary number that is more for example. I would think that the actual number should be a calculated number based on the cost of 1 person living in an average cost of living, with an actuarial table of insurance and rent and food expenses.

The key point is that government bureacracy is reduced to near zero. IRS collects, one agency calculates the yearly number, and IRS disburses monthly checks based on the previous year's tax returns. From there individuals rise and fall on their ability. If someone takes that monthly check and spends it poorly then they face the consequences of their choices. If someone manages to spend less than the monthly check and saves, then they reap the benefits of their choices.

anyway. that's my thought for the day

I have always thought that unemployment, welfare, what have you could be far better managed. Able bodied people should be able to work I think.

[Chico23231]

Whats more shocking, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden performance so far?

I gotta role with Pocahontas

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Whats more shocking, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden performance so far?

I gotta role with Pocahontas

Nether one.Your blind hatred guides you and you miss what's going on.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nether one.Your blind hatred guides you and you miss what's going on.

[Giantone]

chico your cult leader has you by the nose.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Giantone

chico your cult leader has you by the nose.

I wonder what Trump's turnover rate is compared to the average president from people under him resigning or getting fired? It has to be at a record pace.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nether one.Your blind hatred guides you and you miss what's going on.

I actually agree, not about the blind hatred - that would be the antiTrump base - but Biden and Warrem are lost causes for the Dems. Sanders Bloomberg and one of Pete B or AmyK, will take the delegates to the convention.

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Whats more shocking, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden performance so far?

I gotta role with Pocahontas

I think it's more shocking Biden hasn't seized the lead and ran with it. A year ago it seemed like the Biden train was gonna runaway from the pack. Now it seems like he's on the downswing.

BTW I think the only thing Biden is guilty of is getting his son a job. I don't think Hunter Biden had anything to do with the corruption at Burisma which seemed to have started before he arrived. And if using your political ties to get your family a job they didn't deserve was a crime Trump would be guilty too.

I honestly don't know who is going to emerge from the pack, but it's not Bernie. He won't appeal to the moderate Dems, and he won't appeal to any conservatives.

Klobuchar might be alright but I need to hear more from her. What is her plan to bridge the gap? Unite the country? What are her priorities?

I would vote for Buttigieg if he's the nominee, but (a nod to Cred here) I don't think he would win. He might swing some fiscal conservative votes but the religious conservative outcry is going to be outrageous if he gets the nomination. And in my uninformed opinion I think religious conservatives are the bigger threat because of how outspoken they are.

Let's be honest here. I really dislike Bloomberg (because my 2nd biggest beef behind global warming is the ever-expanding wealth gap in this country) but if it came down to it, I'd vote for whoever opposed Trump.