When is Enough ,Enough?

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Probably some of both. Cops generally don’t make a ton of money, but it’s something you can get without higher education and you get to carry a gun and boss people around. That’s going to attract a lot of stupid, ignorant people who want power.

It depends where you work, small town police don't make squat, but with overtime cops in large cities can easily make $100k+ a year with great benefits, and pensions that can pay them up to 75% of average pay of their last 3 years of service, for life, for being on the job 25 years or more.

They make a lot more than skilled tradesman.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Probably some of both. Cops generally don’t make a ton of money, but it’s something you can get without higher education and you get to carry a gun and boss people around. That’s going to attract a lot of stupid, ignorant people who want power.

I can also see many good well meaning people being worn down by being surrounded by so many officers who fit into the previous category.

Your post is borderline ignorant! Many ,many Police are former Military and go to the job becuase it's been what they trained for and for many it's what they are good at skill wise , they can't determine the difference in the enemy.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

So are you saying everyone killed by police is a "victim"?

George Floyd was obviously a victim of a cop that should have had his badge taken ages ago. Pretty sure incidents like his are a small percentage of the cop killings. They are just the ones that get all the publicity. Police average almost 1,000 killings a year we only hear about the ones that are obviously unjustified or questionable.

Even if it's a small number of unjustified acts, it's still a big issue.

Cops can do better. The justice system can do better. Racism continues to be a problem. I hope we can all agree on that.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

Even if it's a small number of unjustified acts, it's still a big issue.

Cops can do better. The justice system can do better. Racism continues to be a problem. I hope we can all agree on that.

I am not disagreeing. I believe the media fans the flames of unrest & makes matters worse, not better. What I have trouble believing is how people think the situation with police has not improved with modern technology.

My father was a city cop and then a CHP (California Highway Patrol) from the early 60's to early 80's. Trust me they got away with crap they would not get away with today. Fortunately for most my dad was more into abusing his family and not the general public.

When I was 12 my grandma came and rescued us. My dad didn't hit my 10 year old sister. I got the worst of it. I heard my dad tell my mom don't ever waste your time calling the police on him as he knows them all. My dad bragged about being able to inflict pain and not leave marks. When I was 18 during a visit he said something to my girlfriend behind my back that made her cry. I invited him to step outside as I am bigger and stronger than him now and don't have to take his crap. He just said he could shoot me and get away with it.

Today thanks to cell phones people like my dad end up in jail, spousal abuse seemed to be pretty common among his peers back then. The fear of being caught on audio or video has to get some of the cops otherwise prone to overstep their bounds in check.

As for the rest of them I am afraid better over site and pay could improve law enforcement. The last cop I had personal contact with was about a 15 years
ago, a cousin who was a county sheriff in So Cal. As of then they still were only psychologically evaluated post academy if there was a major incident.
Since people can develop mental issues at any stage in life I believe a mental evaluation of a law enforcement officer should be done on a yearly basis.
While the cop that killed George Floyd had a history of complaints, I believe the job does turn good people bad, and those guys need weeded out.

I find it perfect comedy how on shows like cops all policemen say they were attracted to the job due to wanting to serve the community. Not only did I meet many a cop from my dad. I used to go to a fitness center where cops and fireman got free memberships. The majority said it was great pay and benefits for a job not requiring college education or specific skills. A few others said they had relatives that were cops, the old family tradition. Possibly raising the pay rates more would even attract better people.

[BaltimoreSkins]

There is too much evidence that supports a correlation between physical discipline and poor mental, physical development, later romantic relationship abuse and criminal behavior for me to condone and it is too difficult to be subjective. I think firm standards and set consequences would suffice. The major issue with education is the pendulum has swung so far in terms of classroom management to the point that standards are arbitrary. In my school a category 3 offense such as physically assaulting a teacher will lead to a long term suspension but in my wife's school that same offense the student will be back the next day. Allowing for the administration at different schools in the same district sends confusing messages especially when 30% of the students are transitory and can end up switching school to school in year depending on living situations.

Part of that are the silly statistics that are required to be maintained by the US Dept of Ed where suspension rates and smaller graduation rates count against schools for federal funding thus some schools will likely be more relaxed with discipline to keep funding. Personally this is ridiculous sometimes you have to suck it up and do addition by subtraction. When you have a 19 year old sophomore that kid is not getting any services they need and impeding the services for other students.

[Chico23231]

This might be the ultimate bullshit media narrative... that rioting now is somehow acceptable? Burning down buildings, attacking people, violence is now ok?



These are the same people that shamed folks protesting, people on a fucking beach, people not wearing mask? Get the fuck out of here.

I’m just gonna remember for the future

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This might be the ultimate bullshit media narrative... that rioting now is somehow acceptable? Burning down buildings, attacking people, violence is now ok?



These are the same people that shamed folks protesting, people on a fucking beach, people not wearing mask? Get the fuck out of here.

I’m just gonna remember for the future

Your media hate agenda has gone beyond reason.

[Buffalo Bob]

Nightline pretty much made out George Foster to be quite the outstanding human being.

From the NY Post:

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

Yet the media makes him out to be a choir boy.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Nightline pretty much made out George Foster to be quite the outstanding human being.

From the NY Post:

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

Yet the media makes him out to be a choir boy.

Seems you decided to go full moron in this thread. So it seems you decided this man should die is that it,you find the actions of the Police acceptable?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Nightline pretty much made out George Foster to be quite the outstanding human being.

From the NY Post:

Floyd had landed five years behind bars in 2009 for an assault and robbery two years earlier, and before that, had been convicted of charges ranging from theft with a firearm to drugs, the Daily Mail reported.

Yet the media makes him out to be a choir boy.

Nightline and the NY Post are part of the media last I checked.

Regardless of his past, did he deserve to die?

If your answer is no why bring this up?

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

Nightline and the NY Post are part of the media last I checked.

Regardless of his past, did he deserve to die?

If your answer is no why bring this up?

He did not deserve to die, all of the cops involved deserve to be punished. Chauvin deserves 2nd degree murder charges as far as I am concerned, the others need the highest charges they can legally be hit with.

My problem with not bringing up Floyd's criminal past and painting him as a saint provides a false narrative that his life style did not contribute to negative interactions with the police. The media only telling one side of the story does more harm, it puts a fear of police, that doesn't need to be there, into law abiding citizens that could cause them to panic when interacting with law enforcement.

I have had many interactions with police. I would call most of it harassment.
It first started with driving what boiled down to a street legal Nascar in college. They would think I didn't see them riding in my blind spot waiting for me to go on a speed run. I once had a cop follow me for 9 straight right hand turns and I did nothing wrong. Fast forward a couple years I lived in the So Cal mountains. My street was mostly vacation homes, I was the only full time resident. Ever hear of Les Richter? I used to have poker parties, even though he was way down the street from me and no one came near his house on weekends he would call the cops on me making up lies. I stayed away from cops for decades till I took multiple trips cross country. Out of state plates on Suvs attract cops like flies in drug corridors. I got pulled over almost a dozen times for bs excuses and never written a ticket. I was being PROFILED and I am white.

I would estimate I have interacted with cops 3 dozen times or so at least, probably a lot more as those mountain cops hated me. After the first visit I became as uncooperative as I could without going to jail. Richter was wealthy and they probably were catering to him. The first time he called saying people were in the front yard breaking bottles in the street, yet there was no glass to be found.

The morale of the story, pretty much every interaction I had with police went as I dictated, cooperative with hands on the steering wheel had the drug corridor ones last 90 seconds. In college I would just pull over and stop when they started tailing me. I still keep my hands in sight but called them every name in the book. That would get them to go over my car with a fine tooth comb looking for anything they could ticket me on. Sometimes I would be detained for 15 minutes and let go, again no ticket.

Why doesn't the media constantly educate people on how to interact with police to insure the best chances of avoiding a negative outcome? Even the worst cops aren't going around killing people for signing too loud in church. The media is escalating people's fear of police, that does nothing but harm.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

The morale of the story, pretty much every interaction I had with police went as I dictated, cooperative with hands on the steering wheel had the drug corridor ones last 90 seconds. In college I would just pull over and stop when they started tailing me. I still keep my hands in sight but called them every name in the book. That would get them to go over my car with a fine tooth comb looking for anything they could ticket me on. Sometimes I would be detained for 15 minutes and let go, again no ticket.

Bob -- your whole post is a shining example of white privilege. For the most part, being white helps tremendously. Or being good looking etc. its not 100% of the time, or even 50% of the time .. but being white in this country has huge advantages. So does being good looking. or dressing professional.

I got pulled over by border patrol because apparently me and a buddy had crossed into mexico some how and were crossing back into the US. I didnt even know we left the US, we were driving on some basically dirt roads. It was a little rinky dinky shack of a border stop out in the middle of nowhere. They find a bunch of weed, detain us for a bit ... me and my buddy are in cells but talking polite with the 2 white officers (they were the only ones there), they were about the same age as us, kinda joking around even though i imagine we could be facing some serious federal charges.

after about an hour ... those 2 white mid 20s officers lets us (2 white mid 20s) go saying hurry up before their supervisor gets there and theyd be forced to charge us.

white privilege.

I have countless stories of white cops letting my white ass go and it wasnt for something nominal like speeding. of course, ive been arrested to. got elbowed by an officer while i was handcuffed to a table etc ... but i know i enjoy the benefits of white privilege almost every day, in things so small and big.

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bottom line - Bob what works for you or me ... doesnt work nearly as often for a black person.

period.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Bob -- your whole post is a shining example of white privilege. For the most part, being white helps tremendously. Or being good looking etc. its not 100% of the time, or even 50% of the time .. but being white in this country has huge advantages. So does being good looking. or dressing professional.

The above isn't always true. I have never in my life pulled over to help an attractive female motorist who was broke down, back in the pre cell phone days.

I would stop for little old ladies. The last stranded motorists I helped were a couple old black guys broke down in front of the bank I was using last summer. Obvious blown head gasket, I gave them a ride 25 miles south and refused gas money.

They said they had been trying to catch a lift for two hours. If they looked like Halle Berry instead of Fred Sanford and Grady they would had dudes fighting over giving them a ride in minutes.

Your above statement is 99% correct unless said attractive person runs across a weirdo like me. I think I actually treat them worse. I was pretty popular in High School as any guy on the football team was and found my self dating the plain Jane types.

[Chico23231]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/mac-d...-police-racism

A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing, Mac Donald writes; rather, crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions. Mac Donald writes:

In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.

Mac Donald also highlights studies by both the Justice Department under President Obama and the finding of an African-American Harvard economist:

A 2015 Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr. also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.

Researchers in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found similar results. “We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers,” the report found. “Instead, race-specific crime strongly predicts civilian race. This suggests that increasing diversity among officers by itself is unlikely to reduce racial disparity in police shootings.”

[Giantone]

For someone that is anti media and you use the "dailywire" as a link ?


Where in your link did it say Mr Floyd deserved to die?