What's your take on our coaching?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

With the state of our o-line right now, Banks would get killed running the wildcat. I don't fault anyone for not running the ball now, but we didn't run the ball when the o-line was healthy.

Stop saying Banks would be killed or he is to small to play on offense. Damn Banks has been playing football all his life and so far he has not been killed. He did play at Kansas St on offense and special teams. Im not suggesting Banks can play every down but he damn well can play 10 snaps a game on offense. Remember the defense cannot touch wr anymore down field so why not take a few shots with him.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Problem is we can't run the ball effectively right now either. The injuries on the OL have really hurt.

We don't even try. Good ground attacks keep going back to the well. What doesn't work in the first quarter may produce a long touchdown in the 4th quarter when the defense is winded.

And it is not just the number of runs which lead me to say that we don't try. It is also the variety of plays. We have stretch left and stretch right. That seems to be about it, excluding a brilliant reverse on the second play of the game.

Kyle didn't have a real ground game in Houston, either, but they developed one after he left with much of the same personnel.

In the end, the run may or may not work. But trying to milk a passing game out of Wrecks and Beck has no chance.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mooby

"... [Kyle] just wants to pass all day, and even the best passing offenses know how valuable running the ball is."

Originally Posted by Lotus

"We don't even try. Good ground attacks keep going back to the well. What doesn't work in the first quarter may produce a long touchdown in the 4th quarter when the defense is winded."

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block and they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels 12 years ago. Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block and they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels 12 years ago. Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

You don't seem to understand. Even if running the ball isn't working, you still have to try. Because once you go one-dimensional the defense knows it will never have to worry about the run, thus making its' job a lot easier. Keeping a defense off-balance is key to finding success on offense, and we're not doing that.

I'm not asking for Beck to throw the ball ten times a game and put the rest in the running game's hands. I'm just asking for them to stay with it. As soon as we get down in the game, which is pretty early these days, Kyle just abandons the run.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by mooby

You don't seem to understand. Even if running the ball isn't working, you still have to try. Because once you go one-dimensional the defense knows it will never have to worry about the run, thus making its' job a lot easier. Keeping a defense off-balance is key to finding success on offense, and we're not doing that.

I'm not asking for Beck to throw the ball ten times a game and put the rest in the running game's hands. I'm just asking for them to stay with it. As soon as we get down in the game, which is pretty early these days, Kyle just abandons the run.

They did try. Torrain had 1.8 yards per carry. Look, I don't have time to post the play by play, but here's the link. Just look at all of the carries by Torrain for 1 and 2 yard runs. Also take note that we were down 20-0 at the start of the 3rd quarter.

If the offensive line opens up the running lanes and they can get some yardage running the ball, you'll see more running plays.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Ugh, again with running the ball...

What is it that convinces people that 'pounding the rock' is the solution to all our offensive problems? Do people still seriously believe that these are the Hogs of 1982? That all they have to do is run the ball 55 times a game regardless of the in-game circumstances? They can't pass block and they can't run block.

Keep this in mind: Before taking Trent Williams, this team hadn't selected an offensive lineman in the first two rounds of the draft since Chris Samuels 12 years ago. Kyle wasn't the one who neglected the line for a dozen seasons. And Shanahan and Allen haven't had enough drafts or draft picks to rectify it.

I'll never understand why the coaches are the ultimate demons in this nightmare.

With Wrecks and Beck a decent passing offense is impossible.

What other choice is left but a good faith effort at a running game?

Perhaps a running game won't work. Perhaps. But the passing game has no hope.

[Longtimefan]

Not yet.

[mooby]

Sorry, but if we let Mike Shanahan go we're just setting ourselves up for more years of mediocrity. Kyle Shanahan on the other hand...

I don't think we have to get rid of Kyle S., but he does need to diversify up his offense and learn to attack opponents' weaknesses better. He just wants to pass all day, and even the best passing offenses know how valuable running the ball is. I hope we have the players next year that fit what Kyle S. wants to do, because right now it looks like injuries are really going to limit our effectiveness on offense for the rest of the year.

[firstdown]

We are getting better. Last yr the Eagles scored 28 points in the first qtr and this year only 20 points the entire game.

[SmootSmack]

Well the Texans added Arian Foster, that was the major change. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the Texans didn't attempt to run the ball last year any more than when KS was the OC in 2009

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well the Texans added Arian Foster, that was the major change. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the Texans didn't attempt to run the ball last year any more than when KS was the OC in 2009

Actually Foster was on the Texans roster in 2009, Kyle's last year there.

[Alvin Walton]

Playing Cooley at FB twice in the same set of downs tells me Kyle is innovative and a risk taker.
However sometimes its a fine line between being innovative and being an idiot.

[MTK]

Not sure why playing Cooley at FB was such a big deal. He played H-back under Gibbs and had similar responsibilities.

[skinsfan69]

Bottom line Kyle was totally outcoached by George Edwards yesterday. People can talk about Kyle's days in Houston all they want. I really don't care what he did in Houston. He's here now and his offense has been awful and it was down right atrocious yesterday.

[mlmpetert]

My biggest beef with Mike Shanahan is that I don’t know where he adds value. He doesn’t call offensive or defensive plays and he doesn’t seem to have the team prepared to play consistently. If hes leaving everything up the assistant coaches that’s fine, but at what point does he step in?