New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

We're not going to lose any draft picks. I expect a fine, somewhere in the 100k-500k range, and that'll be it. How are they going to punish the current modern day Redskins for something that happened 5 years ago? That's why there's a statute of limitations.
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In the NFL,where does this "statute of Limitations"exist?

[Defensewins]

This story has gone past informative and inspiring positive change to protect players in the NFL to: a BS sensationalistic story.
YES, Gregg Williams went over the line in trying to inspire his troops, waaaay over the line. Pay $ for taking out opposing players should never ever be tolerated. Trying to intentionally take out another player with an illegal dirty play is already not allowed. Fine him and suspend Williams and send a strong message going forward to everyone this will be dealt with severely. Done.
However now we have these articles with Dungy and others floating theories on why Manning, Farve and other star players got hurt. We can not start investigations going back years 3, 5, 10 years.
Let's nip this in the bud and move forward. Lay off the sensationalistic stories and quotes of possible disgruntled players or coaches running their mouth.
Everyone has learned the lesson. Move on. A 8 to 16 game suspension and a big is fine.
Let's not go over board with this, Williams was not the only person to ever do this. Let's not demonize him.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This story has gone past informative and inspiring positive change to protect players in the NFL to: a BS sensationalistic story.
YES, Gregg Williams went over the line in trying to inspire his troops, waaaay over the line. Pay $ for taking out opposing players should never ever be tolerated. Trying to intentionally take out another player with an illegal dirty play is already not allowed. Fine him and suspend Williams and send a strong message going forward to everyone this will be dealt with severely. Done.
However now we have these articles with Dungy and others floating theories on why Manning, Farve and other star players got hurt. We can not start investigations going back years 3, 5, 10 years.
Let's nip this in the bud and move forward. Lay off the sensationalistic stories and quotes of possible disgruntled players or coaches running their mouth.
Everyone has learned the lesson. Move on. A 8 to 16 game suspension and a big is fine.
Let's not go over board with this, Williams was not the only person to ever do this. Let's not demonize him.

100% agree. the cover up and refusal to quit is really the main issue, but like you state Williams is not the first. a variant of this behavior has been around since football began. But I agree with others, its time for it to stop.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This story has gone past informative and inspiring positive change to protect players in the NFL to: a BS sensationalistic story.
YES, Gregg Williams went over the line in trying to inspire his troops, waaaay over the line. Pay $ for taking out opposing players should never ever be tolerated. Trying to intentionally take out another player with an illegal dirty play is already not allowed. Fine him and suspend Williams and send a strong message going forward to everyone this will be dealt with severely. Done.
However now we have these articles with Dungy and others floating theories on why Manning, Farve and other star players got hurt. We can not start investigations going back years 3, 5, 10 years.
Let's nip this in the bud and move forward. Lay off the sensationalistic stories and quotes of possible disgruntled players or coaches running their mouth.
Everyone has learned the lesson. Move on. A 8 to 16 game suspension and a big is fine.
Let's not go over board with this, Williams was not the only person to ever do this. Let's not demonize him.

Well said. I'm in agreement.

[Ruhskins]

Given that this is mostly GW's doing I would expect him to bear the brunt of the punishment. The Saints should only get punished if as an organization knew about it, which sounds like they did. It seems a bit pointless for the Skins and Bills to get punished, or at least get as harsh of a punishment as the Saints are likely to get.

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[SmootSmack]

Would think Sean Peyton and Loomis get some sort of suspension too. You can't deny it, then admit it but do nothing about it and not expect to get reprimanded

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Would think Sean Peyton and Loomis get some sort of suspension too. You can't deny it, then admit it but do nothing about it and not expect to get reprimanded

Agreed. But the future is what is really important. Making sure all coaches, staff, FO and all players are 100% clear on the rules and consequences related to this type behavior is more important than investigating acts that go back 3 to 50 years ago. We'll probably soon have ESPN or CNNSI quote a former team janitor say Vince Lombardi used to have a bounty system.
Fix it and stop the finger pointing.
I guess GWillims is the sacrificial example of what will happen.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Agreed. But the future is what is really important. Making sure all coaches, staff, FO and all players are 100% clear on the rules and consequences related to this type behavior is more important than investigating acts that go back 3 to 50 years ago. We'll probably soon have ESPN or CNNSI quote a former team janitor say Vince Lombardi used to have a bounty system.
Fix it and stop the finger pointing.
I guess GWillims is the sacrificial example of what will happen.

I think it's really more than just a case of not....really understanding that it isn't "Hoyle" to pony up cash bounties to inflict injury and possibly career ending cheap shots on the competition? That sort of "Really, when did that start" mentality is very......tired.
If you're not bright enough to cease and desist after already being caught and warned, you deserve your ass Nailed to the Cross. You will see the rest of the league educate themselves real quick as to what the rules are and are not.
From a tender age do football coaches teach "Go out and Kill someone"! Do they mean it, in fact?
.....No

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Agreed. But the future is what is really important. Making sure all coaches, staff, FO and all players are 100% clear on the rules and consequences related to this type behavior is more important than investigating acts that go back 3 to 50 years ago. We'll probably soon have ESPN or CNNSI quote a former team janitor say Vince Lombardi used to have a bounty system.
Fix it and stop the finger pointing.
I guess GWillims is the sacrificial example of what will happen.

True, I think the investigation into the Redskins and other teams is more of a dog and pony show than anything else. The hammer will fall heavily on the Saints and Williams. Imagine though if Goodell suspends Sean Peyton for a year? Who takes over the Saints?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

True, I think the investigation into the Redskins and other teams is more of a dog and pony show than anything else. The hammer will fall heavily on the Saints and Williams. Imagine though if Goodell suspends Sean Peyton for a year? Who takes over the Saints?

I kinda expected an investigation to happen with the Redskins and any other team where Williams coached. It is a bit silly to think that the Redskins or the Bills would be held accountable for anything, unless there is some smoking gun that the ownership/FO knew about what was going on. Even still, as you said, the Saints and Williams will bear the brunt of any punishment.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

True, I think the investigation into the Redskins and other teams is more of a dog and pony show than anything else. The hammer will fall heavily on the Saints and Williams. Imagine though if Goodell suspends Sean Peyton for a year? Who takes over the Saints?

It will hurt no question, but the Saints are a veteran team and they will survive a short suspension. A long suspension of Sean Peyton will kill their season.

The Saint players can put a bounty on Goodell when he is on the sideline.
I wonder if Sean Peyton's knee injury on the sidelines last year was a bounty? Doh! Payback is a bitch.

[Mechanix544]

Greg Blache disliked and discontinued Gregg Williams’ bounty program | ProFootballTalk

It looks as if, and this is coming from Blache, Gibbs as well as a few ex players in Washington at the time, Williams was definitely the one spearheading the bounties, and that noone in this organization knowingly approved the acts. This has to be a good thing for the current organization if we are to get investigated, I doubt any serious penalties would be levied against us.

[Mechanix544]

Analysis: "Pay for pain" scandal could end up in courts - Yahoo! News



Good story on some things that could end up happening. With the NFL trying to keep players healthy, and trying to reduce catastrophic injuries, look for them to take a very firm stance on this one guys. This one could very well end up in courts.

In Short - Gregg Williams is toast.

[Darrell_Green_28]

But wasn't Sean Taylor like that in college too? so investigate the U then?

[CrustyRedskin]

I have an insider at Godells office and she said he told her only the Saints will recieve punishment. He said because anyone associated with the Redskins or Bills the last two decades have been punished enough.