Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Shanahan deserves time now that he has RG3, you can't just give up on him after he gets a rookie QB; plus it hurts our rookies progression. Shanahan is smart by buying himself some time by drafting RG3. If shanahan doesn't help this team in terms of wins next year, he'll definitely be a fired candidate. But I believe, and I hope Snyder has learned (plus Snyder went to great lengths to get Mike to coach this team) that you need to give a coach time to get his team together. Now that Mike has his QB, his time is starting now.

I agee. He needs at least one more year.

[SkinzzFan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

If i compare his drafts to years gone by ( outside of RG-3 - even Vinny couldnt have missed on that - rite?) i see alot of quanity and a little quality. In the past we had zero quanity and a little quality. Samuels, lavar, cooley, rak, jansen, etc. We would fill our team with veterans, now we fill them with young guys - but i think alot are misses. There has to be a happy medium between quality and quantity.


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I understand what you're saying. My point was more about continuity with the coaching staff/front office (the thread is about whether or not Shanny should be fired, which is what I was trying to disagree with here). Check who the coaches/front office staffs were who drafted Jansen, Lavar, Rak and Cooley. Off the top of my head I believe it's three different coaches...that's my only point.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by 44ever

It was sarcasm... I couldn't care less if they fire him or not. The Skins will never be a great team. Well not for a long time anyway...

Exactly, its going to take at least another 4 or 5 years until we are playoff ready. It takes time to build a winner. The past 3 years have been the PRE-rebuilding phase. Fans just need to shut the phuck up and be patient. Jeezus christ. It takes a long time to get above .500, even with an ALL UNIVERSE quarterback. DUH. Shanahan will turn us into a perennial contender, just you wait and see (4-5 years). Mike Shanahan has lost his edge (Elway), so its just gonna take him a while to get it back. Thats all..........





/sarcasm

Mike Shanahan has absolutely disappointed, and I believe no longer is qualified to coach any team. His successes this season are completely attributed to Robert Griffin, just as the defense being completely run into the ground, burnt up, then defecated on can be directly attributed to him. I don't know what its going to take to prove the game has passed his geriatric ass by, but sorry to say it has. Denver fired his ass for a reason, we were just so desperate for a good coach, we thought that we could put some good pieces around him, and waalaah, at least have an 8-8 team. Guess we were very wrong. I just hope we cut bait after THIS season, instead of giving him and Haslett one more year of stunted progression. (Other than RG3, regression might actually fit better as the term there.)

[redskins5044]

Our new coaching staff should be:
HC-Sam Huff
OC-Sonny
DC-Larry Michael
ST-randle el

[GTripp0012]

I'm a little surprised that Fire has only three votes (for the record, I'm on the fence), because it's a private poll. Not surprised that "No" is in the lead.

How many of you would extend Mike Shanahan's contract today? I'd have to assume between 50-70%...otherwise it would suggest that people are more scared of the alternatives than supporting the status quo.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

This is the other part of my problem. He's only been here 3 years and with a franchise that is/was in rebuilding mode. The last coach that coached here for over 3 years was NORV TURNER and they fired him in 2000. All other coaches have been here for 3 years or less.

To me that's a glaring consistency problem.

Except Zorn. He needed to go.

You know whats funny about that whole thing?

Jim Zorn (and I am in no way saying he should have ever been a HC) had, with a MUCH MUCH crappier team, a better winning percentage than Mike Shanahan did with the Redskins. AND he had Mr. Cerrato to contend with as well. Maybe its time people take a few seconds to stop and smell the Folgers, and realize maybe Allen and Shanahan just might not be the saviors all of us envisioned. I understand the longing for consistency, but if you cannot at least get close to the playoffs with an NFL caliber squad in the past 7 years of head coaching, you are just not that good of a coach. No matter if you won 2 super bowls with arguably the top quarterback of all time. You're just not.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I think Mike has improved the personell on this team and except for the secondary put it in pretty good shape for the next HC and his new assistant coaches.

That's a really, really good way to look it at. Realistic, yet optimistic at the same time. Leave it to 53 to bring in the sage wisdom

[MTK]

No need to extend him, I'd let him ride out these last 2 years.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

No need to extend him, I'd let him ride out these last 2 years.

2 years is a really long time to ride out, no? 8 games seems far more reasonable.

If these next eight games are the best eight games of the Shanahan era, I see no reason why he shouldn't remain the coach. But the Redskins have already erred on the side of patience here. There's no reason to act irrationally.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Some of you farm animals apparently didn't watch the games against Atlanta, Minnesota, and the Giants. Acting like the whole team has been flat for a month.

Indeed, the whole team was flat only today. The coaching, however, has been flat (if flat means woefully outmatched) in all but two games this season. One game was against a guy who's never really coached before (New Orleans) and the other against a pretty bad team (Bucs).

[MTK]

We were out coached against the Vikings?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

You know whats funny about that whole thing?

Jim Zorn (and I am in no way saying he should have ever been a HC) had, with a MUCH MUCH crappier team, a better winning percentage than Mike Shanahan did with the Redskins. AND he had Mr. Cerrato to contend with as well. Maybe its time people take a few seconds to stop and smell the Folgers, and realize maybe Allen and Shanahan just might not be the saviors all of us envisioned. I understand the longing for consistency, but if you cannot at least get close to the playoffs with an NFL caliber squad in the past 7 years of head coaching, you are just not that good of a coach. No matter if you won 2 super bowls with arguably the top quarterback of all time. You're just not.

The team was worse? They were 8-8 and had 4 Pro Bowl players on that team. (2008) Portis rushed for almost 1500 yards. Campbell had 3000+ yards and more TDs than INTs.

And you can't possibly be saying they were better in 2009 because we finished 4-12.

I don't think we're THAT bad.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Or a new coat of paint on section 8 housing. Inside, It might have a 70 inch LED 3dtv (RG3), but you're still in downtown detroit. Our defense would be the crumbling foundation, and the old lead based paint chips falling off all over the place. Of course our corners would be the overflowed toilet, and our safeties would be the rat and squirrel droppings in the dark dank corners.

(I don't know why I just typed that, I just kept going, just like the vast majority of my posts........)

That was awesome. Lmao.


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[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

Gibbs was here 4 years.

Four years is a lifetime in the national football league. The league is structured, and I'm talking about the cap, the draft method, and FA, such that you can turn a franchise around in just three years. It's been done plenty.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Or a new coat of paint on section 8 housing. Inside, It might have a 70 inch LED 3dtv (RG3), but you're still in downtown detroit. Our defense would be the crumbling foundation, and the old lead based paint chips falling off all over the place. Of course our corners would be the overflowed toilet, and our safeties would be the rat and squirrel droppings in the dark dank corners.

(I don't know why I just typed that, I just kept going, just like the vast majority of my posts........)

This is the glass half empty look at it, it could also be looked as we have a brand new mansion in Beverly Hills, but we are sleeping on air mattresses with only a black and white TV.