Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

[SFREDSKIN]

Go Danny go, kick everyone in the nuts and show them who is king. Make Mara and his cronies regret pulling this stunt.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Remember that the NFLPA case is entirely separate from anything that the Redskins might argue in court. It would be huge if the Skins were to go forward with this, and I think absolutely crazy. But from a NFL perspective, holding up Free Agency, or the start of the league year, or any other aspect, would certainly cause owners to think twice about the fine in it's entirety.

I agree with you and think this option is awesome. Lets air the dirty laundry ... collusion. lol.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by RedskinsInNYC

Amazing what a slow day at work can do...

Have to give the Skins FO (under Bruce Allen) credit for working the media to their advantage. All we can do is have faith in their PR strategy at this point. Can't see what the legal argument is that the NFLPA hasn't already made to Judge Doty (and lost). "Irreparable harm" is not a cause of action, it is one of the requirements for a TRO. Also need likelihood of success on the merits of whatever it is they are alleging as their cause of action.

For one, I'm excited. I bet the other owners are pissed that we might hold Free Agency up by filing. lol.

The NFLPA has lost their claim cause they supposedly signed a contract that they would not file any claim for collusion. The Redskins and Cowboys never signed an agreement and got punished for doing nothing. So if anyone has a claim its the two teams for being punished for not breaking the law (colluding) and god knows the NFL does not want to lose their freedom to do what they want vs being overseen by the feds.

[NC_Skins]

ES member (huly) asking Goodell about capgate. Listen to his explanation. He said the owners AND the NFLPA were told about this "competitive balance". Riiiiiight. SO you are going to tell the NFLPA prior to the lockout that you are indeed going to collude even though there is no salary cap.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

ES member (huly) asking Goodell about capgate. Listen to his explanation. He said the owners AND the NFLPA were told about this "competitive balance". Riiiiiight. SO you are going to tell the NFLPA prior to the lockout that you are indeed going to collude even though there is no salary cap.

Right...there is about zero chance this is true...I mean I cannot conceive of this current NFLPA agreeing to any such thing. Why the hell would they? Makes less than zero sense.

[RedskinsInNYC]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Right...there is about zero chance this is true...I mean I cannot conceive of this current NFLPA agreeing to any such thing. Why the hell would they? Makes less than zero sense.

The hope is that this video, coupled with the threat of litigation, can continue to create buzz/noise on this issue for another day or two. I think Graziano RT'd someone who sent him this link last night. Will be interesting to see if other outlets pick this up - my hope is that they do.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Right...there is about zero chance this is true...I mean I cannot conceive of this current NFLPA agreeing to any such thing. Why the hell would they? Makes less than zero sense.

So ... the NFLPA knew of the collusive agreement to keep "competitive balance". Yet, during the bitter lockout in which the NFLPA argued collusion about several specific factors this was never mentioned. Further, once (and only once) it became public, the NFLPA filed a lawsuit alleging that this agreement about "competitive balance" was unknown to them and represented a breach of the prior CBA. Finally, the NFL's response was not "We told them, they knew about it so they shouldn't be upset"; it was "Hey too bad so sad, you waived all your claims - even the one you didn't know you had."

Wow. Revisionist history is one thing. This is "1984" un-person stuff.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

ES member (huly) asking Goodell about capgate. Listen to his explanation. He said the owners AND the NFLPA were told about this "competitive balance". Riiiiiight. SO you are going to tell the NFLPA prior to the lockout that you are indeed going to collude even though there is no salary cap.

Someone should have hurled a Docker.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Someone should have hurled a Docker.

Hahaha now that you say that, it reminds me of the footage of bush's speech a few years back when someone hurled that shoe at him lol.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Someone should have hurled a Docker.

LOL, this is not a third world country....Docker? you might as well have said a Crock. lol. No they should be throwing Timberlands. lol. Boot would be better anyway.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by RedskinsInNYC

WP updated their article from earlier with this:

"Update: 3:37: Redskins officials have told people in the league that they are considering going to court to seek an injunction that would hold up the start of free agency or threatening that move in a bid to bolster their negotiating leverage with the league. Those conversations were confirmed by two people with knowledge of them.
Both said that the Redskins have compelling arguments they could make in an attempt to convince a judge that they would suffer irreparable harm if they are not granted an injunction. But others familiar with the case have said they don’t believe the Redskins have legal arguments that weren’t already considered, and rejected, by an arbitrator."

Redskins put contract talks on hold as they work to recoup salary cap space–Updated

Love that they're going to the mat on this. They won't win in court though. Leverage is all they can hope for.

It all sounds like fanciful thinking to me. OTOH, I wish the Redskins had gotten an injunction the very next day after Mara and Goodell started this crap: The cap penalty on the literal eve of free agency last year.

Sure it would have made practically all the other owners mad at us. (And if there's any justice, anger at Mara too when he starts flapping his pale gums.) But seeing how the group went along with screwing us anyways, in hindsight there was no reason for us to play nice on this. Where we and the cowboys got punished for not engaging in collusion against the players.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

It all sounds like fanciful thinking to me. OTOH, I wish the Redskins had gotten an injunction the very next day after Mara and Goodell started this crap: The cap penalty on the literal eve of free agency last year.

Sure it would have made practically all the other owners mad at us. (And if there's any justice, anger at Mara too when he starts flapping his pale gums.) But seeing how the group went along with screwing us anyways, in hindsight there was no reason for us to play nice on this. Where we and the cowboys got punished for not engaging in collusion against the players.

The way I look at it Goodell and Mara started the BS, and decided to try and play tough. Through all of this the Redskins have tried to play nice, filed a grievance, waited while the NFLPA file their complaint, waited while the NFLPA appealed the case, and no give on the NFL's side.

It's definitely time to go nuclear, file whatever they need to file to screw over Free Agency, then file whatever they need to file that keeps it out of the NFL's friendly court system and puts in possibly in the bulls eye of the Department of Labor or the Department of Justice. Maybe then if all the owners have to worry about their sacred business being watched by big government maybe then they will cave and give the penalty back in order to keep their business out of big governments reach.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The way I look at it Goodell and Mara started the BS, and decided to try and play tough. Through all of this the Redskins have tried to play nice, filed a grievance, waited while the NFLPA file their complaint, waited while the NFLPA appealed the case, and no give on the NFL's side.

It's definitely time to go nuclear, file whatever they need to file to screw over Free Agency, then file whatever they need to file that keeps it out of the NFL's friendly court system and puts in possibly in the bulls eye of the Department of Labor or the Department of Justice. Maybe then if all the owners have to worry about their sacred business being watched by big government maybe then they will cave and give the penalty back in order to keep their business out of big governments reach.

Yeah, kudos to the Skins for taking the High Road up to this point.

Really wish someone could have followed up Huly's question with something Goodell glossed over: "Mr. Goodell, in 2010, when the Redskins and Cowboys submitted the contracts in question for NFL front office approval: Why did the NFL management approve those contracts at that time?"

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yeah, kudos to the Skins for taking the High Road up to this point.

Really wish someone could have followed up Huly's question with something Goodell glossed over: "Mr. Goodell, in 2010, when the Redskins and Cowboys submitted the contracts in question for NFL front office approval: Why did the NFL management approve those contracts at that time?"

and this is the question I'd love for Goodell or Mara to answer. In a public setting. I mean everyone already knows the answer. What I hate is the NFL playing the "30" owners were duped by two and those two should be punished. No Goodell, two owners restructured contracts knowing the leauge would be forced to go along with them or get into trouble. Someone at the NFL agreed to the contracts when they had every opportunity to deny them but didn't. Why? and because of your mistake you wanted to punish the two teams? That screams of unfair business between owners.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

@Rich_Campbell: My top takeaway from Indy: the Redskins' $18M cap penalty is quite disruptive, per NFL sources. Tough decisions, frustration lie ahead.

With a healthy RG-3 we got a punchers chance no matter what happens.