Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I hope you pointed out that the symposium was a biased event toward changing the name.

Well, I basically said earlier in the post that if we all wanted to know the true answer as to whether to change the name or not, to allow ALL Full-Blooded Native American Indians to vote on the name. IF they found the name offensive, then the 'skins should change the name. If not, then it's a dead horse issue. That's when the guy brought up the Symposium, which at that time I realized he had no idea what he was arguing for. Oh, but I did bring up why he was not arguing for a name change of the Dallas Cowboys, since cowboys back in those days killed Indians and took their land. Or the violence that Buccaneers and Vikings brought on other people, but they never had an answer for those questions, they just ignored that part and went back to talking about the Redskins name.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

Agreed . . . and this:

growing up a Redskin fan in Northern Michigan was not easy. All we got to see on TV was either the Packers or the Lions . . . there was no Direct TV . . . there only thing you could do was the large satellite dish and they were VERY expensive . . . but i lived right down the road from the Ojibwa Indian Community and had quite a few friends there . . . they flew the Redskins flag all football season long and had a community hall with a satellite dish just so they could watch the Redskin games . . . it was a celebration every week . . . and what they told me was the term Redskin meant to them was "Great Warrior" . . . the whole community there embraced the name and the team . . .

Source (USA Today):



and while that poll is a bit older, there are tons of polls like this . . . the VAST MAJORITY of Native Americans DO NOT find the name offensive.

Unfortunately we live in a world where if one person is offended that's usually enough. Never mind that the one person has a vested interest in being offended and may not even be the subject of the slight. Yeah, I'm talking to you, Liberal do-gooder.

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[53Fan]

"Some people get out of bed in the morning LOOKING for a reason to be offended." - Dr. Wayne Dyer

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The Washington Post, and Sally Jenkins in particular, cover the Redskins/Dan Snyder with a very thinly veiled bit of contempt. She, at least in her coverage, hates Snyder, and any news item which she can use to mock, attack or just plain hate on Snyder she will do it. A lot of that Dan brought on himself with his early moves when he bought the team, but to think this article is anything more than just an attempt to slam Snyder is basically wrong.

I hope eventually the Post and the Skins kiss and make up, but until then I'll rely on several other far more accurate, and less biased, sources for Skins community news.

Wow, I had missed that article. I honestly can't believe the post would put something like that in their paper. I understand they have their differences with Snyder and the skins, but come on, that was basically journalistic bullying. It's shame, but you really can't trust anything you read or hear, everyone seems to have an agenda.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

Wow, I had missed that article. I honestly can't believe the post would put something like that in their paper. I understand they have their differences with Snyder and the skins, but come on, that was basically journalistic bullying. It's shame, but you really can't trust anything you read or hear, everyone seems to have an agenda.

Yeah, the childish tone of Jenkins' article surprised me. It wasn't written up to professional standards. Let alone fair and accurate.

[irish]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yeah, the childish tone of Jenkins' article surprised me. It wasn't written up to professional standards. Let alone fair and accurate.

Sally Jenkins is a columnist not a reporter. She's paid to give her opinions not to be fair & accurate.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by irish

Sally Jenkins is a columnist not a reporter. She's paid to give her opinions not to be fair & accurate.

Is it too much to ask a "columnist" like Sally Jenkins to write an article that doesn't sound like it came from a jealous high-schooler? From Sally Jenkins in her "article".

"If you’ve long suspected that football is not a measure of intellect,"

"Oooh! And after school, for fun we’ll shoot BB guns at road signs!"

"This is a just another guess, and not scientific method on the level of Redskins.com, but I’m pretty sure that whoever wrote the Redskins.com post wouldn’t score any higher on a history test than your nephew who chews on his arm."

"So I have a suggestion for the commander in chief and the secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force, and their chiefs of staff and sergeant majors. Pick up the phone. Put in a call to Snyder, and tell him, “Stop demeaning our most loyal volunteer troops.” Of course, he may be too busy setting off stinkbombs in the school bathroom to listen."

[NC_Skins]

Are we still talking about this shit?

[Hog1]

“There’s nothing that we feel is offensive and we’re proud of our history,” Allen said at a groundbreaking ceremony for the Redskins’ training camp in Richmond on Thursday. “To suggest that players and coaches and fans are thinking any other way doesn’t make sense…It’s ludicrous to think that we’re trying to upset anyone.”

Your father would be proud of you Bruce.........I am

[Skinzman]

Didnt see that post by ArtMonkDrills before Mayor quoted it but:

One person? Tbh, not every Indian likes the term 'Native American'. They make the point that when their ancestors roamed the land free, that it wasnt called America. And when it became America, they were pushed off their land. So therefore Native American is not what they want to be called.

Btw, when did Indian become a dirty word so that it was decided that it needed to be changed?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Didnt see that post by ArtMonkDrills before Mayor quoted it but:

One person? Tbh, not every Indian likes the term 'Native American'. They make the point that when their ancestors roamed the land free, that it wasnt called America. And when it became America, they were pushed off their land. So therefore Native American is not what they want to be called.

Btw, when did Indian become a dirty word so that it was decided that it needed to be changed?

As a rule......they don't use it.
It is a term popularized by PC White men.
Makes me think of Yao Ming doing one of his first interviews when he came to the states....he was asked "How do you like the Chinese food in the USA? He responded......
What is Chinese food?"

[SirLK26]

Without looking at a lot of the other discussion, I will put my two cents in. The name Redskins is not a racial slur. It's just what people used to call Native Americans. In the mid 1800's people called Negroes "darkies." That's not a racial slur, people just called them that. Indians supposedly called white people palefaces; that's not a racial slur;again that's just a name. Now, if the name of the team was the Savages, i can see that being called a racial slur, but the name is the Redskins. People who are so sensitive just need to back off and shut up.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

..........In the mid 1800's people called Negroes "darkies." That's not a racial slur <SNIP>

Dafuq?

Still beating the help, are you?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Without looking at a lot of the other discussion, I will put my two cents in. The name Redskins is not a racial slur. It's just what people used to call Native Americans. In the mid 1800's people called Negroes "darkies.".

........ok, anyone, anyone,"Bueller? Bueller?"

[Mayor]

Originally Posted by Giantone

........ok, anyone, anyone,"Bueller? Bueller?"

It's a terrible argument, but it doesn't undo the good arguments already made.

If, as the Linguistic professor's essay already showed, "Redskin" was a direct translation of what American Indians called themselves (which would also account for why, when Indians learned English, they referred to Europeans as "White Man") AND the story of "redskin" origin being for bloody scalps is a lie, then there is actually no grounds to take offense to the name other than that you are just a miserable person looking to dump on other people's fun. To which I would suggest finding some other hobby.