Who's your pick's for next HC, DC and OC?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If he sits idle while Shanahan wastes another season of his investment in RG3, that's pretty much the mark of an owner who doesn't have the balls to stand up for himself.

You may be right but it's a no win situation really.. Fire a 'legendary coach' or sit on your hands and hope for the best, either way Snyder looks bad. Really Snyder's only out is to not offer him an extension making him a lame duck and hope that Shanahan quits/retires. I think Shanny's ego is way too big for that though.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

You may be right but it's a no win situation really.. Fire a 'legendary coach' or sit on your hands and hope for the best, either way Snyder looks bad. Really Snyder's only out is to not offer him an extension making him a lame duck and hope that Shanahan quits/retires. I think Shanny's ego is way too big for that though.

Well, it's a no win situation if the goal is to not be criticized by anyone, but if the goal is to get it right and do the best thing to help the Redskins win, it's an easy and obvious decision.

Shanahan is a legendary coach for his accomplishments with the Denver Broncos, but he's been very forgettable here. The Broncos were making an aggressive move to fire the most successful coach in their franchise history. Shanahan hasn't even been the most successful Redskins coach of the Snyder era.

[The Goat]

Can we do an updated poll?

[KI Skins Fan]

I doubt that firing a supposedly legendary coach after four years, or 80% the way through, a five-year contract would have any impact whatsoever on the interest of desirable Head Coach candidates. That would hardly qualify as a rash act on the part of Dan Snyder, IMO.

[skinsfaninok]

Actually what GOAT said isn't really all that crazy, Arizona went from a laughing stock to a SB contender after just a few good drafts and FA pick ups.

TB and NO did as well.

ALL 3 of those teams are considered 3 OF THE WORST TEAMS IN NFL HISTORY

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Actually what GOAT said isn't really all that crazy, Arizona went from a laughing stock to a SB contender after just a few good drafts and FA pick ups.

TB and NO did as well.

ALL 3 of those teams are considered 3 OF THE WORST TEAMS IN NFL HISTORY

Yes, but with every team you can use for example. I can add another. It's different scenario's in every organization. We've had a lot of things happen here that are not the same in NO or TB, vice versa.

I think we are closer than a lot of people think we are. I see the will to win from our team, and RG3 is getting better every week. He looked a little shaken last game from all the pressure, but at least we know his legs are coming back.

I still think we need a Playmaker on defense or Offense. I feel we have a solid group of players, but we really lack a AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Ed Reed, or Graham. Even the Browns have Morgan who has become a force on the field.

Shanhan's image was to bring in a bunch of hard workers that will go till the end, and even though it's a good thing we have that dedication. It's tough to compare to pure athletic ability. Our fastest, and most athletic player is our QB and we gave up a lot to get him where other teams draft their playmaker.

Now that we are not getting a 1st rounder next year, I would hope we put money in to a big free agent.

I'll go out on a limb and say we are 5-5 going against San Francisco.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Actually what GOAT said isn't really all that crazy, Arizona went from a laughing stock to a SB contender after just a few good drafts and FA pick ups.

TB and NO did as well.

ALL 3 of those teams are considered 3 OF THE WORST TEAMS IN NFL HISTORY

... and now two of the three are back in the throws of mediocrity and, in the case of TBay, a debacle that will only grow.

[skinsfaninok]

In today's league teams can become contenders over night, it just takes some smart personnel moves and $$.

[JoeRedskin]

The "Stupid Meter" always explodes when things are bad. Most of the same people were saying the same things last year before the run.

Honestly, I don't think such a run happens again this year. Something seems to be missing.

To assert, however, that teams can "turn things around" in two or three years is such a vague statement as to be pointless. Hey, we "turned things around" last year and won our division for the first time since '99. Neither Oakland nor Cleveland has turned anything around just yet. You want to say Cleveland is better than us? Maybe/Maybe not. Oakland? Pshaww. I think they are finally on the right track but have a lot further to go than us. Check back in 3 or 4 years and we can discuss if these traditionally horrific franchises have acheived sustained success and really turned the corner or if this is just their latest incarnation of false hope.

BTW - TBay only turned things around after Dungy built a team, left and let Gruden ride it to the SB - have they since sustained the turnaround? Most teams, however, don't break out of mediocrity in a couple years and sustain success. Most fall back to mediocrity.

[skinsfaninok]

yeah but if your really looking to be "GREAT" for 10 plus years that just doesn't happen anymore, unless you have Brady or Manning. It's hard to be a legit contender for so many years

[Lotus]

The Saints turned things around and the reversal stuck (except for a hiccup last year). But they have Brees.

And then there is us, defending NFCE champs. Despite the many forks being stuck into us, we're not done yet.

[Skinzman]

Most examples of teams turning around equate to finding a QB. NO got Drew Brees, Arizona got Kurt Warner, Detroit had their QB in Mathew Stafford, he was just always injured early in his career (went on for several seasons). Once he overcame those and was able to finish seasons, they started winning a fair amount. Even in TB, Freeman played pretty good for one year, but the ownership decided to blow it up during the uncapped year and had a lower payroll than most SEC teams that year.

Which always brings me back to the fact that we dodged a bullet with Gabbert. Who a large amount of people wanted here and cursed Shanny for trading down and grabbing Kerrigan. I can only imagine the get rid of Shanny threads right after that draft. RG3 is off so far this year, which is understandable at this point (injury, no offseason or preseason work). Lets face it, if he is on, we win against Detroit and Dallas. Still should have won against Detroit even with him not being 100%. If people think Detroit is a good team, then we cant be that far off. Which goes against what most people are saying.

[The Goat]

The irony is Mike has a team very similar today to what he took over four years ago i.e. very limited depth along the oline and several other positions, but enough starting talent we should be competing in every game. Talent isn't the issue. Coaching, throughout the week and especially on game day, is the problem. And I really don't think anyone has good intuition how we get better in that regard with Mike at HC, at least I haven't seen any good ideas here. It's all FUBAR because of intertwined family dynamics and frankly Mike hasn't put together a solid coaching structure since his days with Elway.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Talent isn't the issue.

Uh no....it really is. Our line is Trent plus 4 guys who couldn't handle a DL built from scrubs.

Our WRs are missing something at the top and can't win battles consistently.

Our secondary is a problem.

Our LBs are a problem.

Now in each case (except Oline) we're talking about adding maybe one guy to steady the corps but we've been playing literally with a shoestring budget for two years now.

We're better at each spot with the 36 mil. We have a RT for sure and probably a new center. A Safety surely and at least one LB and CB

That's enough to change this team incalculably.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Uh no....it really is. Our line is Trent plus 4 guys who couldn't handle a DL built from scrubs.

Our WRs are missing something at the top and can't win battles consistently.

Our secondary is a problem.

Our LBs are a problem.

Now in each case (except Oline) we're talking about adding maybe one guy to steady the corps but we've been playing literally with a shoestring budget for two years now.

We're better at each spot with the 36 mil. We have a RT for sure and probably a new center. A Safety surely and at least one LB and CB

That's enough to change this team incalculably.

earlier I agreed with GOAT about the turn around with teams and didn't agree w u, Now I agree with u and not him on talent for this team lol.

Lack of talent is the issue folks, besides Garcon who else is a threat at WR?? Nobody. We r relying on a rookie TE to make plays. Morris is really our only good RB (HELU cant' block)

And our D has very limited talent, Riley, RK, Coefield and Hall are the only guys playing good this yr so far.