Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[over the mountain]

analyze what RG3 and the team do on the field.

this over-analysis of every single sentence and word is pointless.

RG3 didnt say anything entirely bad or wrong.

Gruden should have never been so specific in his post-game presser talking about how RG3 took a 3 step drop when he should have taken 1 etc. i know he was super pissed RG3 shit the bed and made calling any plays useless .. but your an NFL head coach.

Gruden should have just said "we have a lot of work to do from the top down". period. stfu after that.

gruden cant let his dislike of RG3 be so public.

** i really like gruden so far. seems like he is calling plays and getting guys open. if i had to choose, it would be gruden over RG3 every single time.

[Defensewins]

I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?
Then as a good solider he did as told and publicly backed RGIII as his starter without revealing this unfortunate situation.
I think this is the reason why Gruden said what he said in the presser.
Gruden does not dislike RGIII as just stated, he wants to win now. I think Gruden is frustrated and pissed that he was forced to start RGIII and the outcome has resulted in two loses in game that SHOULD HAVE BEEN easy wins against two mediocre teams, with RGIII playing like shit.
Gruden just like some of the players are playing for their jobs/lives. If this level of play we saw out of RGIII in the TB game continues, many of more of these people will be without a job in a few months. So naturally this is a big deal. Right?
In that context, and only in that context I have no problem hearing the TRUTH in a press conference.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?
Then as a good solider he did as told and publicly backed RGIII as his starter without revealing this unfortunate situation.
I think this is the reason why Gruden said what he said in the presser.
Gruden does not dislike RGIII as just stated, he wants to win now. I think Gruden is frustrated and pissed that he was forced to start RGIII and the outcome has resulted in two loses in game that SHOULD HAVE BEEN easy wins against two mediocre teams, with RGIII playing like shit.
Gruden just like some of the players are playing for their jobs/lives. If this level of play we saw out of RGIII in the TB game continues, many of more of these people will be without a job in a few months. So naturally this is a big deal. Right?
In that context, and only in that context I have no problem hearing the TRUTH in a press conference.

Do you have any basis for this belief? If you do, I would be grateful to hear it. And I am not saying that it isn't possible (it may well be), but there's so much floating around that simply isn't substantiated. This seems more like belief than an assertion of "TRUTH," as you say.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?
Then as a good solider he did as told and publicly backed RGIII as his starter without revealing this unfortunate situation.
I think this is the reason why Gruden said what he said in the presser.
Gruden does not dislike RGIII as just stated, he wants to win now. I think Gruden is frustrated and pissed that he was forced to start RGIII and the outcome has resulted in two loses in game that SHOULD HAVE BEEN easy wins against two mediocre teams, with RGIII playing like shit.
Gruden just like some of the players are playing for their jobs/lives. If this level of play we saw out of RGIII in the TB game continues, many of more of these people will be without a job in a few months. So naturally this is a big deal. Right?
In that context, and only in that context I have no problem hearing the TRUTH in a press conference.

Here is part of the problem. We scored 26 against Minny, including an 80 yard 4th quarter drive when Minny had driven for a TD themselves. Only to let Minny do a second length of the field drive in the 4th quarter to beat us. The defense gave up 15 in the 4th quarter, they straight up crapped the bed as bad as RG3 did against Tampa Bay.

We win that game pretty easily if a crappy offense led by a rookie QB missing their best player doesnt score 15 points in the 4th quarter with not 1, but 2 70+ yard 4th quarter drives.

For as much as people keep referencing what Cooley said about RG3 this week. In that same article Cooley says he thinks RG3 played pretty well against Minny. He certainly wasnt the reason we lost.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Here is part of the problem. We scored 26 against Minny, including an 80 yard 4th quarter drive when Minny had driven for a TD themselves. Only to let Minny do a second length of the field drive in the 4th quarter to beat us. The defense gave up 15 in the 4th quarter, they straight up crapped the bed as bad as RG3 did against Tampa Bay.



We win that game pretty easily if a crappy offense led by a rookie QB missing their best player doesnt score 15 points in the 4th quarter with not 1, but 2 70+ yard 4th quarter drives.



For as much as people keep referencing what Cooley said about RG3 this week. In that same article Cooley says he thinks RG3 played pretty well against Minny. He certainly wasnt the reason we lost.

You are forgetting that if our offense is clicking it keeps our terrible defense off the field. We won three games this year - all were without Griff. You play the guy who gives u the best chance to win. Not the guy who the owner has a man crush on!

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You are forgetting that if our offense is clicking it keeps our terrible defense off the field. We won three games this year - all were without Griff. You play the guy who gives u the best chance to win. Not the guy who the owner has a man crush on!

The game against Dallas was the one time our defense stepped up. The other wins were against Tenn and Jax. Even so, Colt got us 20 against the cowboys. Its not like he was tearing it up. We got 28 the next week out of RG3 against a better defense, yet he is being blamed for the loss while people are comparing Colt to Joe Montana for getting 20. KC proved if he gets hit, he goes to a three step drop and throw regardless of what team he is throwing it to. And you even admit that our defense is massively flawed. This is a team game first and foremost.

Do I believe that Colt will lead us to the playoffs? No. If its not RG3, then fine, but outside of one of the elite QB's who is going to have a lot of success on this team. There are a crap ton of problems on this team and it annoys the hell out of me to hear people claim that if we just resign Rex Grossman, we would be in the SB this year because our team is so great except the QB position, which is holding us back and turning what should be a 14-2 into a 3-13 team.

Move on from RG3, Im ok with that. What I have been saying the whole time, Which you and SS among others have refused to listen to, is that we arent winning with the shit show we have as a team unless we somehow get Aaron Rodgers, which isnt happening any time soon. Colt isnt leading us anywhere. KC isnt leading us anywhere. Very few QB's are leading this crap anywhere.

So it still brings us to the fact that we will never develop a young QB with this crap team. And we arent getting one of the elites. So lets do things that make developing a QB happen instead of blaming one guy. So no, I will not blame one guy every time the OL fails. I will not blame one guy every time the defense shits the bed. The fact that you think we are a Rex Grossman signing away from a SB victory is disturbing to me.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?
Then as a good solider he did as told and publicly backed RGIII as his starter without revealing this unfortunate situation.
I think this is the reason why Gruden said what he said in the presser.
Gruden does not dislike RGIII as just stated, he wants to win now. I think Gruden is frustrated and pissed that he was forced to start RGIII and the outcome has resulted in two loses in game that SHOULD HAVE BEEN easy wins against two mediocre teams, with RGIII playing like shit.
Gruden just like some of the players are playing for their jobs/lives. If this level of play we saw out of RGIII in the TB game continues, many of more of these people will be without a job in a few months. So naturally this is a big deal. Right?
In that context, and only in that context I have no problem hearing the TRUTH in a press conference.

Much of this is quite accurate. I would add he was forced to start Griff before Texans game

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?

What you describe is not dysfunctional. It is standard management practice in countless businesses. Gruden has bosses and he is obligated implement the instructions of those bosses.

What we have here is Round 105 of discussing what we think the management structure of the Redskins ought to be. If we have a HC who has complete authority (Shanahan) then we argue that there ought to be a GM over him. If we have a HC reporting to a GM (Gruden) then we argue that the GM shouldn't tell the HC what to do.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

What you describe is not dysfunctional. It is standard management practice in countless businesses. Gruden has bosses and he is obligated implement the instructions of those bosses.

What we have here is Round 105 of discussing what we think the management structure of the Redskins ought to be. If we have a HC who has complete authority (Shanahan) then we argue that there ought to be a GM over him. If we have a HC reporting to a GM (Gruden) then we argue that the GM shouldn't tell the HC what to do.

I think it is more a question of why we see repeated poor decisions being made and the accountability of those decisions. Whether the management practice is sound means nothing if the decisions from those practices are ineffective.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

What you describe is not dysfunctional. It is standard management practice in countless businesses. Gruden has bosses and he is obligated implement the instructions of those bosses.

What we have here is Round 105 of discussing what we think the management structure of the Redskins ought to be. If we have a HC who has complete authority (Shanahan) then we argue that there ought to be a GM over him. If we have a HC reporting to a GM (Gruden) then we argue that the GM shouldn't tell the HC what to do.

We can agree to disagree, but this is football not Business school. I'd rather my head coach\staff pick the starting lineup and who should be on the field. That is basic leadership 101.
You let the professional people with skills you hired do their jobs.
Allen and Snyder are not professional coaches.
There is a reason they call it meddling owner and people frown on it; and Snyder and Jerry Jones are generally not liked. I am being nice.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We can agree to disagree, but this is football not Business school. I'd rather my head coach\staff pick the starting lineup and who should be on the field. That is basic leadership 101.
You let the professional people with skills you hired do their jobs.
Allen and Snyder are not professional coaches.
There is a reason they call it meddling owner and people frown on it; and Snyder and Jerry Jones are generally not liked. I am being nice.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We can agree to disagree, but this is football not Business school. I'd rather my head coach\staff pick the starting lineup and who should be on the field. That is basic leadership 101.
You let the professional people with skills you hired do their jobs.
Allen and Snyder are not professional coaches.
There is a reason they call it meddling owner and people frown on it; and Snyder and Jerry Jones are generally not liked. I am being nice.

Allen is not even a real GM...but he acts like one.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Allen is not even a real GM...but he acts like one.

He's not a very good in-game replay challenge decider either.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We can agree to disagree, but this is football not Business school. I'd rather my head coach\staff pick the starting lineup and who should be on the field. That is basic leadership 101.
You let the professional people with skills you hired do their jobs.
Allen and Snyder are not professional coaches.
There is a reason they call it meddling owner and people frown on it; and Snyder and Jerry Jones are generally not liked. I am being nice.

Not business school but real business and RGIII is a special case. Snyder and Allen might not be wise to dictate to Gruden who he must start at QB but they have the authority to do so. And, yes, it would probably be a business decision and not a football decision. That's because The Washington Redskins franchise is not just about football - it is in the business of football.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Not business school but real business and RGIII is a special case. Snyder and Allen might not be wise to dictate to Gruden who he must start at QB but they have the authority to do so. And, yes, it would probably be a business decision and not a football decision. That's because The Washington Redskins franchise is not just about football - it is in the business of football.

What happens on the field is still football. A game that takes skill. That is why we are all here as fans.....right? Not the $20 beer or $40 parking spot or the $1,000 seat....NOT the business. What matters most is winning a game.
When we have a Bussiness man and the son of a former coach picking our starters we will be a losing/terrible team and it will ruin the morale of the team. But we will have the most profitable team. Yay!
I do not want the owner and GM dictating to the coach who he should start.
Too many cooks in the kitchen.
Stick to what you do best and let the most qualified people do their jobs. It is that SIMPLE!