Heartbreak City: Redskins-Saints Postgame Thread

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah this makes absolutely no sense. Sorry.

Any offensive-minded head coach would jump at the opportunity to work with Cousins and an offensive line that features Scherff, Trent, and Morgan Moses.

They look at their chances of being successful before they consider the problems that their bosses would present.

Josh McDaniels had Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow in Denver. You don't think he'd love a shot to work with a proven quarterback? If Hue Jackson gets let go from Cleveland, you don't think he'd jump at a shot to work with Cousins after having to put up with dreck in Cleveland?

But the one part of your point I'll concede is that a major reason not to move on from Gruden is that Bruce will be in charge of the hire, which means he'll most likely focus too narrowly and consider only candidates with whom he's had previous experience.

But that's another reason (of many) to fire Allen, it's not a reason to throw up your hands and say well the average Jay Gruden is the best we're going to do.

McDaniels would never come here, I just don't see that. Sorry but Denver at that time had/has a much more reputable reputation around the league than the Redskins. Jackson would come here, I'll give you that.

[CRedskinsRule]

As JR said last week the power rankings are fool's gold and click bait, and to prove it they continually say stupid things. for example here is this week's blurb:

15. Washington Redskins (4-6, LW: 14)
What a crushing loss. Blowing a 15-point lead with less than six minutes left is really hard to do, and the Redskins also lost running back Chris Thompson to a leg injury. At least Samaje Perine had a breakthrough game. Now that the season is practically over, the focus turns to Kirk Cousins and what happens with his impending free agency.

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6 weeks left, and the focus turns to impending FA. UGH

[CRedskinsRule]

The Skins are a prime coaching job. Most coaches have enough of an ego to think that they can come in and make a winner whereever they go. And people who say that Snyder has coaches on a short leash is living in the 2000-2010 world. Since 2004 we have had 4 coaches: JG who retired(64 games), Zorn who demolished the team JG built (32 games), Shanahan(64 games), Gruden (48 games). Zorn was an obvious fire, Shanahan obviously blew up on both sides, and now Gruden.

Further, other than the pick of Doctson, I think that Gruden would say that the FO has given him any player he wanted, except maybe for the handwringing around RGIII.

I am not a proponent of firing JGruden after 3 positive seasons, but if and when we move on from him, there will be good candidates getting their resumes in.

[Schneed10]

If we were to fire Gruden, and we manage to get Cousins on a long term contract, I think we'll be the best available job in the NFL, by far.

[VTSkins1961]

Only way Cousins signs if is Allen is fired

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'd can Gruden as soon as the season ends and get new HC hired asap. Then Cousins can meet with new HC and his OC. Then if he doesn't want to sign, put the transition tag on him. Then we either get 2 1st round picks, or Cousins gets 1 more year here to see if he likes new situation or he signs a massive extension.

Where is it said that Cousins is married to Gruden? Even if he is, you can't keep a mediocre coach to please a player. Mr. 8-8 just doesn't have "it" as a coach. We completely shit the bed Sunday. That was pathetic. Usually by now, I'm over losses, but I'm still damn pissed off about this one.

Either way, I'll have a huge cauldron of kool-aid made going into the 2018 season. 2018 SB champs!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I'd can Gruden as soon as the season ends and get new HC hired asap. Then Cousins can meet with new HC and his OC. Then if he doesn't want to sign him, put the transition tag on him. Then we either get 2 1st round picks, or Cousins gets 1 more year here to see if he likes new situation or he signs a massive extension.

Where is it said that Cousins is married to Gruden? Even if he is, you can't keep a mediocre coach to please a player. Mr. 8-8 just doesn't have "it" as a coach. We completely shit the bed Sunday. That was pathetic. Usually by now, I'm over losses, but I'm still damn pissed off about this one.

Either way, I'll have a huge cauldron of kool-aid made going into the 2018 season. 2018 SB champs!

Coaching changes happen all the time in this league. Cousins would have to get over it like every other QB has had to. It's part of the business.

It's a big 6 games for Gruden. The team has to get better at the last few minutes of each half. This high school nonsense has to stop or he deserves to get fired. Just think how close we were to losing to the 49ers at home and it was really a so so call that helped us win that one.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Coaching changes happen all the time in this league. Cousins would have to get over it like every other QB has had to. It's part of the business.

It's a big 6 games for Gruden. The team has to get better at the last few minutes of each half. This high school nonsense has to stop or he deserves to get fired. Just think how close we were to losing to the 49ers at home and it was really a so so call that helped us win that one.

But you can look at the KC game where we were a drop TD away from a win, Eagles game was a possible winning drive with a bullshit strip-sack call that was wrong, and this past game should have been a win and we didn't get a chance to redeem ourselves with a bullshit grounding call.

With all of the injuries, we have played tough and well enough to win. This team simply does not have the playmakers at Running Back, Wide Receiver, and has issues still on both the DLine (no NT/DT) and Oline (Interior Play at Guard and Center)...

We need to sign Cousins long term, get healthy, and continue to draft talent. Also, we should sign a playmaker at WR or RB. Spending some money there.

Gruden has a lot of pull with the front office, Id say let it continue, give it 2 more years.

[MTK]

Who says Cousins would want to stay here with another HC? I think this talk of canning Gruden is way too premature. I don’t see him going anywhere.

[Meks]

Maybe firing him isnt the best option but the guy, for me at least, needs to give up the play calling duties. Theres no way we should have lost that game on Sunday and no one way 9ers should have even had a chance as well.. He's crossed the line IMO.

[MTK]

People had very similar complaints about McVay the last few years as a play caller. To me it’s a seriously overrated complaint. If guys make their blocks we convert that 4th down. If the call was a QB sneak or an up the gut run that got stuffed people would be complaining about that call too. Players have to execute and they simply did not. I’d have to double check but I think it was Paul that blew his assignment on the play.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

People had very similar complaints about McVay the last few years as a play caller. To me it’s a seriously overrated complaint. If guys make their blocks we convert that 4th down. If the call was a QB sneak or an up the gut run that got stuffed people would be complaining about that call too. Players have to execute and they simply did not. I’d have to double check but I think it was Paul that blew his assignment on the play.

I agree with the execution issue with this team. Too many damn plays left on the field. Vernon Davis multiple drops, mis-tackles by the defense in the last 6 mins of game, fuckin Crowder not getting the bubble screen audible, Cousins not seeing the blitzer last play in reg....just too many mistakes.

Way to early to fire Jay...


In regards to McVay, he did abandon the run too much. Now he has Gurley and runs it well. Probably more of a talent thing...but still

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

People had very similar complaints about McVay the last few years as a play caller. To me it’s a seriously overrated complaint. If guys make their blocks we convert that 4th down. If the call was a QB sneak or an up the gut run that got stuffed people would be complaining about that call too. Players have to execute and they simply did not. I’d have to double check but I think it was Paul that blew his assignment on the play.

Agreed. The penalty on the FG, KC's intentional grounding (even it wasn't), all those things are on the players. But at the same token, some coaches struggle more with game management than others, and Gruden will always be one who does. I don't understand wanting him to give up play calling, I mean we put up solid points against top defenses all year long. The question I have is why do the Skins go into brain freeze at the end of half's and games. I just don't understand that at all.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Agreed. The penalty on the FG, KC's intentional grounding (even it wasn't), all those things are on the players. But at the same token, some coaches struggle more with game management than others, and Gruden will always be one who does. I don't understand wanting him to give up play calling, I mean we put up solid points against top defenses all year long. The question I have is why do the Skins go into brain freeze at the end of half's and games. I just don't understand that at all.

I think McVay was the one who brought an awful lot of organization and structure to the organization. That's not Jay's strength. So in those two minute situations, the contingency plans aren't clear.

The fact that Cousins had to look to the sideline to get a hand signal from Gruden to ditch the ball against 8 in the box is a sign that they haven't coached Cousins well enough. He's smart enough and experienced enough to handle something like Jay telling him at practice - hey in a two minute situation if you see 8 in the box against this play, find a way to check out of it or ditch the ball.

It didn't happen, and Kirk is getting hand signals from the sideline pre-snap telling him what to do. That's not a good sign, it shows the QB isn't prepared for those contingencies. Nevermind the fact that the grounding was the wrong call by the refs there, I'm just bothered by Cousins having to pick up a signal from the sideline at all. I don't think Jay sees two or three steps ahead, that's his limitation.

If I'm a boxer I want to have a counter move and a counter-counter move for everything my opponent throws at me. The chaos in the last two minutes tells me that both Gruden and Manusky have limitations with seeing a few steps ahead.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Agreed. The penalty on the FG, KC's intentional grounding (even it wasn't), all those things are on the players. But at the same token, some coaches struggle more with game management than others, and Gruden will always be one who does. I don't understand wanting him to give up play calling, I mean we put up solid points against top defenses all year long. The question I have is why do the Skins go into brain freeze at the end of half's and games. I just don't understand that at all.

Exactly. He's had 4 years to fix it and he's still screwing it up. It ain't that hard. He has multiple coaches helping, they practice it, he has a vet QB and they still struggle with it.