ALEX SMITH and moving forward.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

'Ball is ball': Alex Smith makes strong first impression

Cool customer, professional, and knowledgeable...kinda nice not to be hearing the same shit about qb going into the summer that’s we’ve talked about the last several years.

Ball is ball...but I kinda wish Alex would have expanded to “ball is ball and now the cowboys, philly and ny blondstreaks can suck my balls.” Something to that effect.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Cool customer, professional, and knowledgeable...kinda nice not to be hearing the same shit about qb going into the summer that’s we’ve talked about the last several years.

Ball is ball...but I kinda wish Alex would have expanded to “ball is ball and now the cowboys, philly and ny blondstreaks can suck my balls.” Something to that effect.

He will have a leg up on Kirk if he doesn't shill any T-shirts.

[Schneed10]

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What does turnover worthy numbers mean? Throwing a ball that results in turnover?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

What does turnover worthy numbers mean? Throwing a ball that results in turnover?

This is why PFF is a valuable tool. They watch every throw right - and if a QB throws a ball and a DB gets his hands on it but drops it - they deem it a 'turnover worthy' throw.

Likewise, if the QB drops a dime right on his WR but it hits his WR's hands, bounces up in the air, and is picked off by a safety, that's not a turnover worthy throw.

And if the QB throws it, the DB gets his hands on it and actually makes the interception, that of course goes down as a turnover worthy throw.

It's basically trying to cut through the fortunate and unfortunate bounces of the ball to determine whether a QB was at fault on a throw that either could have or did cause a turnover.

When you plot Smith's turnover worthy % against his big time throw %, he bubbles up to the upper quadrant of the graph in rare company - it's only him and Brady with such strong big time throw %s and such low turnover worthy throw %s.

Worth noting of course that this is reflective of a surrounding cast. I don't think Cousins is as bad as his numbers showed in 2017 - the offensive line was decimated. But I also think that if healthy, Smith will play with a supporting cast on offense that is in no way a step down from what he had in KC. Health of the supporting cast will be key. If it's there, then you'll see performance stronger than what Cousins put up in 2016 when the offense was healthy.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is why PFF is a valuable tool. They watch every throw right - and if a QB throws a ball and a DB gets his hands on it but drops it - they deem it a 'turnover worthy' throw.

Likewise, if the QB drops a dime right on his WR but it hits his WR's hands, bounces up in the air, and is picked off by a safety, that's not a turnover worthy throw.

And if the QB throws it, the DB gets his hands on it and actually makes the interception, that of course goes down as a turnover worthy throw.

It's basically trying to cut through the fortunate and unfortunate bounces of the ball to determine whether a QB was at fault on a throw that either could have or did cause a turnover.

When you plot Smith's turnover worthy % against his big time throw %, he bubbles up to the upper quadrant of the graph in rare company - it's only him and Brady with such strong big time throw %s and such low turnover worthy throw %s.

Worth noting of course that this is reflective of a surrounding cast. I don't think Cousins is as bad as his numbers showed in 2017 - the offensive line was decimated. But I also think that if healthy, Smith will play with a supporting cast on offense that is in no way a step down from what he had in KC. Health of the supporting cast will be key. If it's there, then you'll see performance stronger than what Cousins put up in 2016 when the offense was healthy.

Thanks for the explanation

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is why PFF is a valuable tool. They watch every throw right - and if a QB throws a ball and a DB gets his hands on it but drops it - they deem it a 'turnover worthy' throw.

Likewise, if the QB drops a dime right on his WR but it hits his WR's hands, bounces up in the air, and is picked off by a safety, that's not a turnover worthy throw.

And if the QB throws it, the DB gets his hands on it and actually makes the interception, that of course goes down as a turnover worthy throw.

It's basically trying to cut through the fortunate and unfortunate bounces of the ball to determine whether a QB was at fault on a throw that either could have or did cause a turnover.

When you plot Smith's turnover worthy % against his big time throw %, he bubbles up to the upper quadrant of the graph in rare company - it's only him and Brady with such strong big time throw %s and such low turnover worthy throw %s.

Worth noting of course that this is reflective of a surrounding cast. I don't think Cousins is as bad as his numbers showed in 2017 - the offensive line was decimated. But I also think that if healthy, Smith will play with a supporting cast on offense that is in no way a step down from what he had in KC. Health of the supporting cast will be key. If it's there, then you'll see performance stronger than what Cousins put up in 2016 when the offense was healthy.

I'm doing a Russell Wilson project right now. From his college days. Wait til they bring out the new QB Grading system it's pretty sweet.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Valuable stats, thanks!
Then, as you mention in your last post, QB probably is the most dependable position on the field. But we finished 7-9 (and were a couple of plays away of 9-7) while being decimated by injuries.

[Ruhskins]

^^^^^

In regards to this, I always felt that one of Cousins' biggest issues was connecting in short to intermediate throws. These often happened in 3rd and short situations, which did not help in keeping the opposing offense off the field.

[Chico23231]

Pff has definitely done a good job bringing more relevant stats to light. Thanks for sharing.

[DYoungJelly]

I'm interested in the disparity between Kirk's rank against the blitz (3rd) and his rank against pressure (20th).

Could he plan and account for a blitz versus have to react to and go off schedule to deal with pressure?

Any theories?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I'm interested in the disparity between Kirk's rank against the blitz (3rd) and his rank against pressure (20th).

Could he plan and account for a blitz versus have to react to and go off schedule to deal with pressure?

Any theories?

It’s important to remember that not every blitz succeeds in generating pressure, and not every QB pressure came from the blitz.

To me, Cousins’s success against the blitz says he’s adept at very quickly diagnosing a defense and very quickly getting rid of the ball. He does a good job of deploying hot routes and knows where to go with it if he sees blitz. Basically he’s a smart QB.

But the poor stats against pressure mean that once a rusher breaks free of his block and is bearing down on Cousins, his athleticism limits him to pedestrian performance. He can’t escape like Wilson or Wentz, he can’t shrug big dudes off like Roethlisberger, and he can’t make other worldly throws on the run like Rodgers.

We’ve seen that tons of times. To me it points to a QB who will do well during the regular season, but against the better pass rushes that come in the playoffs, the team around him will need to play perfectly to get him over the hump.

And thus the reason he chose Minnesota. He himself knows his limitations.

[ethat001]

Great stats, and they reflect what we've seen in KC for years. I'm fine with the decision to trade for Smith, I think he's an upgrade at least this year to Cousins, and honestly the lack of drama will help the team.

Smith's numbers/stats above are better but he is 34yo and on the decline (max 2-4more years) - while KC can still improve. Not to mention the injuries to the entire team last year without any running game -- make comparison of numbers incredibly difficult.

Smith may be slightly better but the comparison is close. In the end - we basically lost 5 years of good QB and a 8-10 years of good to elite CB -- both in their prime. That hurts.

But the eagles seemed to turn things around in 1-2 drafts, we can too..

[MTK]

0-8 in domes lol

Another meaningless number the haters will try to hang on him

With that team that’s loaded on both sides of the ball he could go 8-0 in his own dome this year

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

0-8 in domes lol

Another meaningless number the haters will try to hang on him

With that team that’s loaded on both sides of the ball he could go 8-0 in his own dome this year

You'd have to break down his numbers in those 8 games but it's still an interesting stat