The legacy of 'W'?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

You make your bed, you sleep in it. Everyone in here talks about personally responsibility...what about president and crew. Why should we make an exception and hold them to a lesser standard?

Umm what? Is this in response to someone...or just a random thought?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Umm what? Is this in response to someone...or just a random thought?

I'm just defending the media's reporting on the Bush administration, granted I don't think they're doing a good job of it.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm just defending the media's reporting on the Bush administration, granted I don't think they're doing a good job of it.

oh, gotcha.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm just defending the media's reporting on the Bush administration, granted I don't think they're doing a good job of it.

True. My only point was that past Presidents haven't had to "sleep in the bed they made" because times were different.

[KLHJ2]

FYI. The wiggle your big toe comment from Kill Bill was actually a Quote from FDR after he was recovering from poliomyelitis. Just thought you might find that interesting.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

FYI. The wiggle your big toe comment from Kill Bill was actually a Quote from FDR after he was recovering from poliomyelitis. Just thought you might find that interesting.

Never saw Kill Bill...or Kill Bill 2.

[saden1]

If anyone is interested here's the entire Bill Moyers Journal episode.

Bill Moyers Journal.

[SmootSmack]

Back in 1867-68, somewhere around there the House impeached Andrew Johnson. But the Senate didn't convict him

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Didn't the same thing happen to Clinton, or was he acquitted at the House level? Either way, both were acquitted, and that doesn't constitute impeachment because they were not removed from office.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Didn't the same thing happen to Clinton, or was he acquitted at the House level? Either way, both were acquitted, and that doesn't constitute impeachment because they were not removed from office.

I think you're confusing impeachment with conviction. Impeachment merely means formal charges have been brought, similar to an indictment. Impeachment is merely the first step toward removal from office.

JoeRedskin, can I get an Amen?

[JoeRedskin]

Amen

Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution states:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Essentially, a resolution to initiate impeachment proceedings is initiated in the House of Reps and forwarded to a committee for review. If the committee believes grounds for impeachment exist, it drafts articles of impeachment and submits them to the full House for approval. If passed by a majority vote, the Articles are then sent to the Senate which conducts a trial where the Senators sit as the judges and the Representatives act as the "prosecutor". Conviction takes a two-thirds vote of the entire Senate.

Clinton and Johnson were both impeached but aquitted.
Nixon resigned before being impeached. The impeachment process had begun as the House Judiciary Committee had recommended charges but the formal impeachment had not been approved by the House. Nixon deemed (correctly) that both the impeachment and subsequent conviction as inevitable and resigned instead.

Actual impeachments of only the following seventeen federal officers have taken place:

Two presidents: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, both acquitted.
One cabinet officer, acquitted after he had resigned.
One senator
Thirteen federal judges, including Associate Justice Samuel Chase in 1805, seven of whom were convicted (after his conviction, former judge Alcee Hastings was elected as a member of the House of Representatives).

See Impeachment in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Amen

Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution states:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Essentially, a resolution to initiate impeachment proceedings is initiated in the House of Reps and forwarded to a committee for review. If the committee believes grounds for impeachment exist, it drafts articles of impeachment and submits them to the full House for approval. If passed by a majority vote, the Articles are then sent to the Senate which conducts a trial where the Senators sit as the judges and the Representatives act as the "prosecutor". Conviction takes a two-thirds vote of the entire Senate.

Clinton and Johnson were both impeached but aquitted.
Nixon resigned before being impeached. The impeachment process had begun as the House Judiciary Committee had recommended charges but the formal impeachment had not been approved by the House. Nixon deemed (correctly) that both the impeachment and subsequent conviction as inevitable and resigned instead.

Actual impeachments of only the following seventeen federal officers have taken place:

Two presidents: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, both acquitted.
One cabinet officer, acquitted after he had resigned.
One senator
Thirteen federal judges, including Associate Justice Samuel Chase in 1805, seven of whom were convicted (after his conviction, former judge Alcee Hastings was elected as a member of the House of Representatives).

See Impeachment in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good post, thanks Joe.
Still makes you wonder why Bush has not gone through this. I guess he's not as bad as people say.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Good post, thanks Joe.
Still makes you wonder why Bush has not gone through this. I guess he's not as bad as people say.

Bush hasn't gone through it because Republicans are protecting him in Congress; and because Pelosi wants to keep Bush as President to the end of his term. She thinks that keeping this Republican administration in office until the next election will ensure Democratic wins in both houses as well as a democratic president.
Their thinking is probably sound. There's enough scandal and imcompetence in the administration to roast Republicans for the next year and a half and then some.
Consistent with this, the dems fear that Republicans may make a come back if Bush and his administration are out the picture.
The irony is that, in the last analysis, Bush will probably not be impeached because he is as bad as they say. Republicans have to stay with him because their roles in supporting Bush in illegal acts in the past will become extremely damaging to them if there is a trial. As for the Democrats, they want to keep this thing going because they think Republicans will end up destroying themselves under Bush for decades.
Whatever, Bush is being spared for now because of the political plans of both parties, not because he hasn't deserved impeachment and conviction.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

Bush hasn't gone through it because Republicans are protecting him in Congress; and because Pelosi wants to keep Bush as President to the end of his term. She thinks that keeping this Republican administration in office until the next election will ensure Democratic wins in both houses as well as a democratic president.
Their thinking is probably sound. There's enough scandal and imcompetence in the administration to roast Republicans for the next year and a half and then some.
Consistent with this, the dems fear that Republicans may make a come back if Bush and his administration are out the picture.
The irony is that, in the last analysis, Bush will probably not be impeached because he is as bad as they say. Republicans have to stay with him because their roles in supporting Bush in illegal acts in the past will become extremely damaging to them if there is a trial. As for the Democrats, they want to keep this thing going because they think Republicans will end up destroying themselves under Bush for decades.
Whatever, Bush is being spared for now because of the political plans of both parties, not because he hasn't deserved impeachment and conviction.

Those are actually very good points.
I would still like to think that enough people hate Bush to try it, but your points make sense.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Amen

Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution states:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Essentially, a resolution to initiate impeachment proceedings is initiated in the House of Reps and forwarded to a committee for review. If the committee believes grounds for impeachment exist, it drafts articles of impeachment and submits them to the full House for approval. If passed by a majority vote, the Articles are then sent to the Senate which conducts a trial where the Senators sit as the judges and the Representatives act as the "prosecutor". Conviction takes a two-thirds vote of the entire Senate.

Clinton and Johnson were both impeached but aquitted.
Nixon resigned before being impeached. The impeachment process had begun as the House Judiciary Committee had recommended charges but the formal impeachment had not been approved by the House. Nixon deemed (correctly) that both the impeachment and subsequent conviction as inevitable and resigned instead.

Actual impeachments of only the following seventeen federal officers have taken place:

Two presidents: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, both acquitted.
One cabinet officer, acquitted after he had resigned.
One senator
Thirteen federal judges, including Associate Justice Samuel Chase in 1805, seven of whom were convicted (after his conviction, former judge Alcee Hastings was elected as a member of the House of Representatives).

See Impeachment in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My bad. Thanks for setting me straight, JR and SS.