Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

I keep hearing about Galveston health care system, would you be so kind to point me to information about their private health care system?

It's actually privatized Social Security

NCPA - BA #215 - Some Americans Already Have Privatized social Security

USATODAY.com - A model for Social Security reform

If you really want some good light reading (LOL):

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v62n1/v62n1p47.pdf

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by firstdown

First off even if congress and the president did pass a law making abortion illegal the Supreme Court would have the final say and I don't see them over turning their prior decission. As far as SS is concerned all you have to do is look at Galviston (spelling) Texas private system to see how much better it performs over the current broken system.

Even Congress has their own seperate retirment plain which is not in the current SS plain that they force us into.

The supreme court can't overturn constitutional amendments.

[SmootSmack]

Slightly off-topic for a second,

I thought you'd appreciate this saden.

Tigh / Roslin 2008!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Slightly off-topic for a second,

I thought you'd appreciate this saden.

Tigh / Roslin 2008!

That's hilarious

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

That's hilarious

The similarities are kind of uncanny aren't they? I think McCain should start wearing an eyepatch

[Hog1]

I personally have not heard anything out of either camp regarding immigration, and attendant problems it is immersing us in. Anybody find that...........quizzical?

[Monkeydad]

This story about Palin's daughter is a non-story.

McCain knew before choosing her. It really has no reflection on the mother since she's already proven her values by choosing not to kill her child with Down Syndrome.

It's a family issue and should remain that way.

Besides, Obama doesn't want to open up HIS family matters for debate I'm sure.

Anyone who has had sex before marriage really has no room to criticize her daughter, because if you had sex as a teen, you could easily have found yourself in the same situation.

Obama said himself that at her age, he was "enthusiastically experimenting with drugs" and binge drinking.

The debate should remain about the candidates.

[dmek25]

how come when its an issue about a republican, it should be off limits? John McCain said more then once how ugly Chelsea Clinton was. that's OK? the issue is Palin preaching abstinence, and her own daughter doesn't believe in it. she cant get her own kids to buy into it, why should anyone else?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

how come when its an issue about a republican, it should be off limits? John McCain said more then once how ugly Chelsea Clinton was. that's OK? the issue is Palin preaching abstinence, and her own daughter doesn't believe in it. she cant get her own kids to buy into it, why should anyone else?

I don't understand it D, My son's don't think everything I say, and want them to do is correct.
Can you explain that?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by dmek25

how come when its an issue about a republican, it should be off limits? John McCain said more then once how ugly Chelsea Clinton was. that's OK? the issue is Palin preaching abstinence, and her own daughter doesn't believe in it. she cant get her own kids to buy into it, why should anyone else?

Holy crap, so she wasn't married. I always thought that teaching abstinence alone was bull shit. I'll be the first to admit that I have some weird political views. I agree with the conseratives on defense and the economy. However on the social issues I'm definately more liberal including marajuanna legalization (even though I don't smoke), stem cell research (an issue that McCain supports), gay marriage (even though I'm not gay), and the banning of ID from class rooms. I still don't know what to think about abortion though right now I'm barely pro-life (51-49). However at the same time I am appaled about how conseratives want to restrict distribution of the morning after pill.

I mean a fetus reportedly feeling pain and crying during an abortion is apalling however preventing conception the day after (or minutes after if you're prepared) is a totally different story and just because some religous nutjobs are using the Bible to reconcile their beliefs doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer in a country who's social views presumeably range mainly from moderate Judeo-Christian to secular humanist (a nicer way of saying atheist or agnostic). In fact I get chills everytime I see the John McCain, Judeo-Christian speech. I wondered if he's that desperate votes or if he's really that nieve when it comes to the history of his own country.

Another funny thing I find about the Republicans and McCain is they want to stop Gay Marriage, yet their most feasable alternative to abortion, adoption, isn't helped by the fact that many foster kids (as many as 100,000 in the US) can't find a home.

Anyway back to my main point. If I read right according to a UN report the United States has some of the highest rates of teen pregnacy and abortions among first world countries especially when compared to most of Western Europe. The abstinence thing is not working and restricting access to contreception and proper sex education isn't helping.

I know some people will find issue with my post and I'm more then willing to debate so long as it doesn't lead to you calling me an idiot for no good reason or typing in all caps. And to think I use to be apathetic those were the days.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Holy crap, so she wasn't married. I always thought that teaching abstinence alone was bull shit. I'll be the first to admit that I have some weird political views. I agree with the conseratives on defense and the economy. However on the social issues I'm definately more liberal including marajuanna legalization (even though I don't smoke), stem cell research (an issue that McCain supports), gay marriage (even though I'm not gay), and the banning of ID from class rooms. I still don't know what to think about abortion though right now I'm barely pro-life (51-49). However at the same time I am appaled about how conseratives want to restrict distribution of the morning after pill.

I mean a fetus reportedly feeling pain and crying during an abortion is apalling however preventing conception the day after (or minutes after if you're prepared) is a totally different story and just because some religous nutjobs are using the Bible to reconcile their beliefs doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer in a country who's social views presumeably range mainly from moderate Judeo-Christian to secular humanist (a nicer way of saying atheist or agnostic). In fact I get chills everytime I see the John McCain, Judeo-Christian speech. I wondered if he's that desperate votes or if he's really that nieve when it comes to the history of his own country.

Another funny thing I find about the Republicans and McCain is they want to stop Gay Marriage, yet their most feasable alternative to abortion, adoption, isn't helped by the fact that many foster kids (as many as 100,000 in the US) can't find a home.

Anyway back to my main point. If I read right according to a UN report the United States has some of the highest rates of teen pregnacy and abortions among first world countries especially when compared to most of Western Europe. The abstinence thing is not working and restricting access to contreception and proper sex education isn't helping.

I know some people will find issue with my post and I'm more then willing to debate so long as it doesn't lead to you calling me an idiot for no good reason or typing in all caps. And to think I use to be apathetic those were the days.

Just a side note, it's almost uncanny how aligned you and I are on the issues. I'm very to the right on foreign policy and the economy, and quite left on most social issues, with the exception of abortion. Didn't think I'd find too many people that line up so crooked like I do.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Just a side note, it's almost uncanny how aligned you and I are on the issues. I'm very to the right on foreign policy and the economy, and quite left on most social issues, with the exception of abortion. Didn't think I'd find too many people that line up so crooked like I do.

That makes three of us.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Just a side note, it's almost uncanny how aligned you and I are on the issues. I'm very to the right on foreign policy and the economy, and quite left on most social issues, with the exception of abortion. Didn't think I'd find too many people that line up so crooked like I do.

It's actually a more true conservative bent. Gov't = stay out of our lives...no taxes and don't tell me how tolive. I think we roll closely also. I vote mainly on who has the best cahnce not to do something insanely bad. Like raise taxes on anyone.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

It's actually a more true conservative bent. Gov't = stay out of our lives...no taxes and don't tell me how tolive. I think we roll closely also. I vote mainly on who has the best cahnce not to do something insanely bad. Like raise taxes on anyone.

I guess it's not an uncommon set of views after all!

My buddy used to say he liked to pick his presidential candidate, and then if that candidate was republican he'd vote for democrats when it came to the house and senate. And vice versa if he liked the democratic president.

His reasoning was that gridlock was the best thing possible for our government, because then nobody can do anything stupid.

Not a bad theory!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Just a side note, it's almost uncanny how aligned you and I are on the issues. I'm very to the right on foreign policy and the economy, and quite left on most social issues, with the exception of abortion. Didn't think I'd find too many people that line up so crooked like I do.

Words can't expressed how happy I am to find that theres a group of people like me. I mean like I said before I love a lot of Democrats non-financial social policies, but the tax rates and the potential effect on a struggling economy as well as our private health care sector, in which case I'll be screwed if it takes me 6 months to see a neurologist, is to much for me to take a chance on.

(Also should have figured that Schneed would at the very least be an economic right given the work he does with the cap on this site as well as the fact that he calculates millions of dollars every year )

I honestly think that if the Republicans weren't such hard asses on minor things like gay marriage then it would be easier for people to vote for them, but instead they seem to choose not offending the extreme christian right (not attacking Christians but you're extremist cousins are not a group that I'm very fond of).

The War also didn't help their cause but I can't bring myself to disown a war that will at least give Iraq a chance to look like South Korea and Japan one day. I'll admit there seems to have been some help on the war on terror front but nearly enough to fend off the anti-war protestors. Anyway I don't know how much you guys agree with me on the war but Christopher Hitchens pretty much sums up my views on foreign policy in this video clip.



Either way I'm happy that we have now unoffically formed the conserative Bent Party aka the Crooked Party aka the Libertarians.