Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I call BS...no way I would complain if we didn't get him.
I am sticking to my guns...I say we reached and ended up with a player that may not pan out.
I sure hope I am wrong

Check out the link the Ware thread. It highlights the dubious history of the supplemental draft. However, it did also say that Jarmon would've most likely gone in the second round in 2010.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Check out the link the Ware thread. It highlights the dubious history of the supplemental draft. However, it did also say that Jarmon would've most likely gone in the second round in 2010.

So it would seem that we got good value for the pick.

[skinsnut]

[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;568695]Check out the link the Ware thread. It highlights the dubious history of the supplemental draft. However, it did also say that Jarmon would've most likely gone in the second round in 2010.[/QUOTE]

yeah...if he played this year...which he CANT because he is freaking ineligible.
If he sat out a year...he'd probably drop significantly...like a 5th rounder.
I am just not thrilled with using a 3rd rounder on a guy that missed out on all the rookie camp crap....yeah we got him a year early...but that guy better get off his butt and prove why we gave up a roster spot for a benchwarmer.
I want to see this guy kill it on special teams...DAY ONE.
There aint much complicated about running like a bat outta hell to crunch someone with a 40 yard head of steam.
I want this guy to earn his keep and PROVE he is worth a 3rd!
I will have to SEE it to BELIEVE it!

[wilsowilso]

I can't remember if anyone brought this up in this thread?

Isn't it kind of a strange that Cerrato was the one and only GM to go on record after Jarmon's pro day that included reps from 18 teams to say that he thought he was a real solid prospect.

I wonder what kind of strategy he was using? Was it the tell everyone I like him so they will second guess themselves because most people think I am nuts strategy?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I can't remember if anyone brought this up in this thread?

Isn't it kind of a strange that Cerrato was the one and only GM to go on record after Jarmon's pro day that included reps from 18 teams to say that he thought he was a real solid prospect.

I wonder what kind of strategy he was using? Was it the tell everyone I like him so they will second guess themselves because most people think I am nuts strategy?

Vinny Cerrato is just stupid and only in America can a guy like him be in the position he's in. It's not what you know, it's who you know. He should just keep his mouth shut and not say anything. Then he goes on the radio and makes the guy sound like he's the next Reggie White. It's like he always tries to go out of his way to prove his point all the time.

[53Fan]

Well it's like someone said, if the Eagles or someone else would have got him, people would be saying how he's probably going to be a great player and why can't we make moves like that..... Good move by the FO.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well it's like someone said, if the Eagles or someone else would have got him, people would be saying how he's probably going to be a great player and why can't we make moves like that..... Good move by the FO.

Some teams do a better job of coaching up their draft picks and getting them on the field. Devin Thomas/Malcomb Kelly/Fred Davis vs. DeSean Jackson, for instance

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Some teams do a better job of coaching up their draft picks and getting them on the field. Devin Thomas/Malcomb Kelly/Fred Davis vs. DeSean Jackson, for instance

If you really believe it was coaching. I don't think they could have coached Kelly out of a bad knee. Jackson was better prepared coming out of college.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Some teams do a better job of coaching up their draft picks and getting them on the field. Devin Thomas/Malcomb Kelly/Fred Davis vs. DeSean Jackson, for instance

I know he isn't trying to hijack this with a Stan Hixon reference is he. man that would add some more pages for sure.

[Lotus]

Don't forget that Zorn was a rookie last year, too. I'll bet he does a better job prepping rookies this year. Further, don't forget that our own Santana Moss did nothing as a rookie.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Well it's like someone said, if the Eagles or someone else would have got him, people would be saying how he's probably going to be a great player and why can't we make moves like that..... Good move by the FO.

Well, some organizations that aren't the Redskins have earned the benefit of the doubt.

Which is really all this boils down to. There's legitimate doubt about the quality of the player we drafted. There would be doubt no matter who drafted him. The Redskins have earned their reputation to overpay for mediocre talent, like it or not.

The counter-argument to this is that reputation doesn't mean crap in the long run, and that we'll either get good value on this pick or we won't just like any other team. Count me as legitimately skeptical of the pick, but without a strong Devin Thomas-type argument that it shouldn't have been made. Just a bad feeling that we're overhyping a late-round talent.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, some organizations that aren't the Redskins have earned the benefit of the doubt.

Which is really all this boils down to. There's legitimate doubt about the quality of the player we drafted. There would be doubt no matter who drafted him. The Redskins have earned their reputation to overpay for mediocre talent, like it or not.

The counter-argument to this is that reputation doesn't mean crap in the long run, and that we'll either get good value on this pick or we won't just like any other team. Count me as legitimately skeptical of the pick, but without a strong Devin Thomas-type argument that it shouldn't have been made. Just a bad feeling that we're overhyping a late-round talent.

I understand what you're saying Tripp. I also had doubts. But the more I think about it, it could turn out to be a good move. Perhaps even a great move. From all reports, even the Eagles were bidding for him. That doesn't neccessarily make me any more sure of his talent, but it does mean that we weren't the only ones who believe he was worth picking. Whether others thought he wasn't worth a higher pick, or were just gambling that they would have the high bid is unknown, but I think it was worth the risk.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I understand what you're saying Tripp. I also had doubts. But the more I think about it, it could turn out to be a good move. Perhaps even a great move. From all reports, even the Eagles were bidding for him. That doesn't neccessarily make me any more sure of his talent, but it does mean that we weren't the only ones who believe he was worth picking. Whether others thought he wasn't worth a higher pick, or were just gambling that they would have the high bid is unknown, but I think it was worth the risk.

I think we have a very, very good scheme fit in Jarmon. But I also know that being a good fit, and being able to develop on the expected schedule of an NFL lineman are different things, and I question the latter of these variables. I don't know if he's going to develop quickly enough to make this pick worth our while.

Optimistically, I'm just going to be wrong.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I understand what you're saying Tripp. I also had doubts. But the more I think about it, it could turn out to be a good move. Perhaps even a great move. From all reports, even the Eagles were bidding for him. That doesn't neccessarily make me any more sure of his talent, but it does mean that we weren't the only ones who believe he was worth picking. Whether others thought he wasn't worth a higher pick, or were just gambling that they would have the high bid is unknown, but I think it was worth the risk.

Yes. Added to this is that Jarmon would not be a great fit in a 3-4 scheme so presumably 3-4 teams did not take him seriously, only 4-3 teams did. And we know that several of these 4-3 teams did bid. As you indicate, while we'll never know exactly how high he was valued by other teams, we do know that he was valued. We aren't the only ones who saw something in him.

Vinny scares me when he is the only one to value a player. As GTripp indicates, Vinny does not get the benefit of my doubt. Knowing that Vinny was not alone in valuing Jarmon makes me feel much better.

[CRedskinsRule]

basically, its an opportunity for some to enjoy the kool-aid, and some to vent at the FO and Vinny. You put those two opportunities together, mix in some pre training camp blahs, and this threads page count has no bounds!