2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III)

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What really irritates me about this thread is the presumption that Mike will know what to do w/ a rookie QB. Don't talk to me about Cutler because he's not proven jack shit. Elway fell into Mike's lap, along with one of the best defenses in history and elite RB, TE and WR.

And don't overplay Mike's involvement w/ Montana, Young or anyone else. I haven't heard any of those guys give credence to Mike Shanahan as they do other coaches.

The notion Mike can get "his special guy" after the top QB talent is gone and build a championship level team is about as likely as a Ron Paul presidency. It smacks of more egomania, much like the past string of misjudgements that led us to a Rex and Beck dynamic duo more than two years into the new regime.

Name one QB we've had thats better than Jay Cutler in the last 20 years?

I think you are being a bit one sided on this arguement. MS has a history of working w/ very good to great QB's.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What really irritates me about this thread is the presumption that Mike will know what to do w/ a rookie QB. Don't talk to me about Cutler because he's not proven jack shit. Elway fell into Mike's lap, along with one of the best defenses in history and elite RB, TE and WR.

And don't overplay Mike's involvement w/ Montana, Young or anyone else. I haven't heard any of those guys give credence to Mike Shanahan as they do other coaches.

The notion Mike can get "his special guy" after the top QB talent is gone and build a championship level team is about as likely as a Ron Paul presidency. It smacks of more egomania, much like the past string of misjudgements that led us to a Rex and Beck dynamic duo more than two years into the new regime.

Don't know about Montana. But Young has given credit to Shanahan multiple times. And let's not act like Elway didn't have some of his worst years without Shanahan. Plus, who's to say it wasn't Shanahan and the coaches that helped make a guy like Terrell Davis a great running back?

[diehard]

The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by diehard

The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.

I was one of the few who didn't freak out about the 'skins not drafting a QB this year. I'm glad we addressed other areas of need and had the patience to wait until the next draft when we would have a better selection of QBs to choose from.

But, I think this season is much different. We HAVE to draft a QB. IF we don't, then I will start questioning the sanity of our front office. However, the FO has done a great job with player acquisitions, so I can't see them NOT drafting a QB unless a Bona fide, young, franchise QB is found in free agency.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I was one of the few who didn't freak out about the 'skins not drafting a QB this year. I'm glad we addressed other areas of need and had the patience to wait until the next draft when we would have a better selection of QBs to choose from.

But, I think this season is much different. We HAVE to draft a QB. IF we don't, then I will start questioning the sanity of our front office. However, the FO has done a great job with player acquisitions, so I can't see them NOT drafting a QB unless a Bona fide, young, franchise QB is found in free agency.

"Bona fide, young, franchise QB... in free agency"? Who fits that description and at what cost? When I think of the pressure for this organization to field a winning team, it makes me think that they need a more solid prospect than Beck having only Grossman as the fall-back option if the price for getting Luck, RG3, or Barkley is too steep.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I was one of the few who didn't freak out about the 'skins not drafting a QB this year. I'm glad we addressed other areas of need and had the patience to wait until the next draft when we would have a better selection of QBs to choose from.

But, I think this season is much different. We HAVE to draft a QB. IF we don't, then I will start questioning the sanity of our front office. However, the FO has done a great job with player acquisitions, so I can't see them NOT drafting a QB unless a Bona fide, young, franchise QB is found in free agency.

I share your views except that I can't imagine finding a young, franchise QB in free agency.

I think that we'll have a rare opportunity to land one of three top notch prospects in Luck, Barkley, and RGIII and I'm optimistic that the Skins FO will come through for us.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I share your views except that I can't imagine finding a young, franchise QB in free agency.

I think that we'll have a rare opportunity to land one of three top notch prospects in Luck, Barkley, and RGIII and I'm optimistic that the Skins FO will come through for us.

Exactly! I can't even think of one free agent QB right now that I'd truly want for the 'skins (and I'm not going to include Brees because we all know N.O. will sign him.)

[30gut]

Originally Posted by diehard

The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.

I'm sure a portion of the fan base will find ways to rationalize the decision.
Just like they did this year.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by diehard

The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.

that is the biggest problem in this franchise it has been run far too long by what the fan-base wants in hopes of generating ticket sales. Meaning they always made the flashy move vs. the best move for the club.

No need to sell the farm on a Luck or RG3 if it is just going to handcuff use in other areas.

Look at this way say you have a family four; all drivers. You have $50k to spend on cars for them. Would it make sense to buy a $50k SUV? While 3 other drivers won't have a car or would it be better to buy 4 $12.5k cars so everyone has one?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by diehard

The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.

Does that also mean that we didn't say sign Matt Flynn...or trade for someone?

[cdskins26]

Originally Posted by diehard

The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.

Last year? I was not suprised only because Jake Locker was already off the board, and we never seemed particularly thrilled with Gabbert, which with hindsight seems like a good move now. on the other hand, after a year of mediocre to downright dreadful quarterback play, we need our guy now, so that he is ready to go in a year.

[cdskins26]

At this point, I have given up on Luck. I want barkley, as he seems to break some trends of the "USC Quarterbacks" and would step in and succeed right away. Id give up a little to trade up for him if need be, but if we pick around 6 or 7 we should be safe.

[skinsfaninok]

If the rams get the 1st pick which I think they will, I'd offer 3 first for Andrew Luck, at least 2. Call me crazy and an idiot but most teams that need a QB will be thinking the same thing.. Luck is a manning type elite QB prospect and if u land this guy we are set at QB for years to come.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If the rams get the 1st pick which I think they will, I'd offer 3 first for Andrew Luck, at least 2. Call me crazy and an idiot but most teams that need a QB will be thinking the same thing.. Luck is a manning type elite QB prospect and if u land this guy we are set at QB for years to come.

I don't think you're crazy at all.

To even consider doing what you suggest, one must first believe that Luck is a rare prospect in the Peyton Manning mold. Like you, I do.

Secondly, one must believe that a QB of that quality can make a huge difference for your team, turning losses into wins and making your team a perennial playoff contender. I do.

So, I would offer as many as three firsts, if necessary.

P.S. If the Skins had Andrew Luck, then D.C. would become a prime destination for top FA's. That's how the Skins could sign the equivalent of a first round WR talent to pair with Luck.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I don't think you're crazy at all.

To even consider doing what you suggest, one must first believe that Luck is a rare prospect in the Peyton Manning mold. Like you, I do.

Secondly, one must believe that a QB of that quality can make a huge difference for your team, turning losses into wins and making your team a perennial playoff contender. I do.

So, I would offer as many as three firsts, if necessary.

P.S. If the Skins had Andrew Luck, then D.C. would become a prime destination for top FA's. That's how the Skins could sign the equivalent of a first round WR talent to pair with Luck.

Really you think veteran super stars are going to want to come here because we picked a over hyped rookie. Even in my own job if a new analyst came on board fresh out of Harvard I still be like ok lets see what you can do in the real world before I start kissing the ground he/she walks on.

Some of you guys are putting so much stock in Luck just because. Why is he so great? I have no idea.I only know what the media has feed me; I am not a professional QB scout nor is anyone on here.If you showed me game tapes and career stats of RGIII and Charlie Ward (both Heisman Trophy winners) then told me to pick which would be a NFL star or at least a high draft pick I couldn't give you a educated answer (assuming both were coming out at the same time). So many folks on here myself included thought Cam Newton was going to be a bust, right now I take him over anyone in the 2012 draft because I know he can do it at a high level in the NFL. I have said this before Ricky Williams is a great example, coming out of school you think he was JC but when it came draft time he was not even the first RB off the board. Not to mention his career has been lack luster at best. ALSO it is lot easier to succeeded at being a RB in the NFL then a QB, QB probably has the highest failure rate of all positions.

Honestly the bar is set so high for Luck right now that anything short of a SB victory his first season people will be calling him a bust. The media loves to build you up then tear you down. The best thing for the media would be for Luck to come in with all this praise as the number one and then completly fall on his face come gameday, they would have a field day with that story.