Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Expected alot more fromJenkins. He was supposed to be like a bonus early round pick this year because he never played last yeAr. He might as well still be on the IR. Big disappointment.


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Yeah it sucks because he looked promising from the preseason before getting injured; hell one of my magazines listed him as the 10th best 3-4 DE in the NFL; thats how much people praised this guy. Makes you wonder how much that ACL injury is affecting him or if he's fine, but is being a carson palmer worrying that he's going to re-tear it.

[REDSKINS4ever]

What I think has happened is the defensive secondary declined more and more given the talent level of QB they've gone up against. Josh Freeman was probably the worst QB the Redskins defense has faced and Freeman is a pretty good quarterback. With each passing week the Redskins defense was never able to rise to the occasion. So getting picked apart week after week became the norm. It now has the defense ranked dead last in the NFL.

[That Guy]

after the season yes. and we shouldn't be tied to the 3-4 if our people run the 4-3 better. once rak and carriker left, the pressure that protected our secondary went away. i don't know if the 4-3 would even help right now, but i'm not a fan of the 3-4 i've seen here.

[Chico23231]

I cant stop shaking my head reading this stuff this week. Relying on opinions of a successful oilman to base my view...cant make this stuff up.

Has anybody seen the offense completely turned around and playing at a high level every week? Anybody with half a brain could tell that the defense, especially in the secondary, was going to struggle this year. And then look at the injuries and suspensions on the defensive side of the ball, how are we not the worst D in the league?

[KI Skins Fan]

The primary problem with our defense right now is the lack of an effective pass rush. Part of the pass rush problem is due to injury. Most significantly, the injury to Brian Orakpo.

Another part of the pass rush problem is due to the utter lack of aggressiveness and creativity by Jim Haslett. In the Pttsburgh game Haslett did call one cover zero defense that I recall which resulted in forcing the Steelers into a field goal attempt. But there have also been too many weak three man rushes to suit me.

In today's NFL, good pass coverage alone just isn't going to get the job done on defense - even for teams that have excellent secondaries. Teams like the Skins that have little pass rush and a poor secondary are sure to get toasted week after week.

Right now, the only alternative for the Skins is to get very aggressive and creative with blitz packages and upset the timing of the offense. It may be risky, but it's all we've got. If Haslett isn't up to the task of finding a way to get more pressure on opposing QB's with the personnel he has now, then he deserves to be fired.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Check his rankings. I bet you'll be surprised.

Denver Broncos Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Contrary to popular opinion, the Broncos didn't win all because of Elway.

They had a top 10 D 7 times under him.

Stats don't lie

[Monkeydad]

Well you have to look at the whole D.

We're shutting down the run, we're causing a ton of turnovers...but that secondary is getting torched. I can't blame Haslett for the personnel he was given to work with, which at the safety position is just complete garbage. Even this season, our CBs are playing well for the majority of the games but the secondary, mainly the safeties are giving up multiple HUGE pass plays every game. They can't be consistent for the whole game.

That's not a coaching issue, that's a personnel issue. Maybe Allen and Shanahan actually had confidence in the guys they brought in (Jackson, Meriweather, Williams, Minnifield)...or maybe this is what the cap penalty dealt us in 2012. We had a ton of positions to address in the offseason and weren't able to hit all of them with the money we had to work with.

I'm leaning towards keeping Haslett but also making the #1 priority this offseason to re-make the secondary. Hit it hard in the draft AND free agency and give Haslett so much talent to work with that if he does fail again, it's clearly all on him. We need to go after the best players available. No more trying to piece a secondary together. Wilson can stay, he's having a great year. Hall...bring someone in and make him work for his paycheck, or maybe try him at safety or nickel corner. Safety...none of the current starters should be starters.

[Bubba305-ST21-]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Well you have to look at the whole D.

We're shutting down the run, we're causing a ton of turnovers...but that secondary is getting torched. I can't blame Haslett for the personnel he was given to work with, which at the safety position is just complete garbage. Even this season, our CBs are playing well for the majority of the games but the secondary, mainly the safeties are giving up multiple HUGE pass plays every game. They can't be consistent for the whole game.

That's not a coaching issue, that's a personnel issue. Maybe Allen and Shanahan actually had confidence in the guys they brought in (Jackson, Meriweather, Williams, Minnifield)...or maybe this is what the cap penalty dealt us in 2012. We had a ton of positions to address in the offseason and weren't able to hit all of them with the money we had to work with.

I'm leaning towards keeping Haslett but also making the #1 priority this offseason to re-make the secondary. Hit it hard in the draft AND free agency and give Haslett so much talent to work with that if he does fail again, it's clearly all on him. We need to go after the best players available. No more trying to piece a secondary together. Wilson can stay, he's having a great year. Hall...bring someone in and make him work for his paycheck, or maybe try him at safety or nickel corner. Safety...none of the current starters should be starters.

I agree 200%, but I do sometimes wonder about Haslett idkkkk

[That Guy]

i'd have to say our "solid" run D has a lot more to do with other teams seeing a weak secondary and choosing to make it explode on sundays.

we couldn't get the steelers to stop running the ball and eating clock and we can't stop anyone from passing. it's pretty tragic.

[los panda]

i forgot what a blitz looks like

[Monkeydad]

I don't believe any D-Coordinator could succeed with our secondary.

Otherwise, our D is pretty solid in the front 7 and now that we've spent 2-3 years stocking our roster with 3-4 defenders, it would be stupid to go back to a 4-3 and spend another 3 years shuffling players back to that scheme. Fletcher, Cofield, Orakpo and Kerrigan can play in any scheme...the others are questionable. Maybe Bowen?

Move Rak and Kerrigan to DE? Then who plays LB?

We need to stay on the course we're on and not abandon the 3-4 so early. It we're in Year #5 and it's not working, sure, scrap the experiment but not yet...not before we've even assembled an entire 3-4 roster with quality players.

I think one of the main reasons for the secondary's lack of depth now might be because we had to fill in the front 7 with 3-4 players in the transition. In my opinion, the transition is not yet complete until we restock the secondary. THEN we can fairly judge Haslett's and the 3-4 scheme's performance.

Look at who we've added in the last three years on the Front 7 in the 3-4 switchover:

Orakpo
Kerrigan
Cofield
Bowen
Jenkins
Nield
K. Robinson
Blades
Kehl
Carriker
Riley
C. Wilson
Jarmon (traded)
R. Jackson
M. White
Worthington
D. Scott
V. Holliday (traded)


That's a load of quality defenders...but doesn't leave a lot of room or money left for the secondary. In the beginning of the transition, our secondary was decent with Carlos Rogers and Hall at CB and Landry and Atogwe with plenty of serviceable depth.

Reload the secondary and see if Haslett can do the job. THEN make the decision. Remember, starting over with a new DC and/or scheme will not produce immediate success either. I think we need to see this 3-4 implementation completely through..meaning addressing all 11 positions on D.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I don't believe any D-Coordinator could succeed with our secondary.

Otherwise, our D is pretty solid in the front 7 and now that we've spent 2-3 years stocking our roster with 3-4 defenders, it would be stupid to go back to a 4-3 and spend another 3 years shuffling players back to that scheme. Fletcher, Cofield, Orakpo and Kerrigan can play in any scheme...the others are questionable. Maybe Bowen?

Move Rak and Kerrigan to DE? Then who plays LB?

We need to stay on the course we're on and not abandon the 3-4 so early. It we're in Year #5 and it's not working, sure, scrap the experiment but not yet...not before we've even assembled an entire 3-4 roster with quality players.

I think one of the main reasons for the secondary's lack of depth now might be because we had to fill in the front 7 with 3-4 players in the transition. In my opinion, the transition is not yet complete until we restock the secondary. THEN we can fairly judge Haslett's and the 3-4 scheme's performance.

Look at who we've added in the last three years on the Front 7 in the 3-4 switchover:

Orakpo
Kerrigan
Cofield
Bowen
Jenkins
Nield
K. Robinson
Blades
Kehl
Carriker
Riley
C. Wilson
Jarmon (traded)
R. Jackson
M. White
Worthington
D. Scott
V. Holliday (traded)


That's a load of quality defenders...but doesn't leave a lot of room or money left for the secondary. In the beginning of the transition, our secondary was decent with Carlos Rogers and Hall at CB and Landry and Atogwe with plenty of serviceable depth.

Reload the secondary and see if Haslett can do the job. THEN make the decision. Remember, starting over with a new DC and/or scheme will not produce immediate success either. I think we need to see this 3-4 implementation completely through..meaning addressing all 11 positions on D.

Maybe but Wade Phillips took the worst defense in the NFL and made them into a top 5 defense in one season...

[KI Skins Fan]

[quote=Monkeydad;959265]Reload the secondary and see if Haslett can do the job. THEN make the decision. Remember, starting over with a new DC and/or scheme will not produce immediate success either. I think we need to see this 3-4 implementation completely through..meaning addressing all 11 positions on D.

Sorry, I'm too old and too smart for that! I want a win this week!

There are things he can do right now but he's too conservative to do them.

It's time to unleash a torrent of blitzes from everywhere on Carolina and see what happens.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

It's time to unleash a torrent of blitzes from everywhere on Carolina and see what happens.

i don't know if you're serious there, but i would damn well love to see it.

*edit had to fix the double quote

[KI Skins Fan]

[quote=los panda;959304]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

i don't know if you're serious there, but i would damn well love to see it.

I'm dead serious. If the Skins go down this week, I think they should go down swinging. I'm tired of the Skins defense sitting back in a zone and reacting to whatever the offense throws at them. I say we should smack the offense in the mouth first and cause them to make some mistakes.

The idea of waiting until next season to get better makes me sick.

If I were in Mike Shanahan's shoes, I'd tell Haslett to come up with some new ideas now. Last in the NFL in defense is unacceptable.