Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I want to ask the hatters, what were your expectations this season? And what were your expectations when Shanny and Bruce took over?

I think that would help me understand alot of things.

Dont talk about McNabb, Brown, and the defense...we know the regime's mistakes, No team is perfect. Sure, we know RT and the secondary is an issue and we should have resigned Carlos, we know these things. But what were your expectations?

I said (prior to reg season) 8-8 was minimum expectation, and that was before we knew RG was this phenomenal.

I'd answer your other question but defense is a big part of the answer, so nevermind hoss.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I said (prior to reg season) 8-8 was minimum expectation, and that was before we knew RG was this phenomenal.

I'd answer your other question but defense is a big part of the answer, so nevermind hoss.

After the first game against the Saints, you could tell that this team had the potential to do something special this season. But the defense, particularly the secondary, gave away leads and games that the explosive offense had produced and held the team back. But since the bye week the Redskins have been very professional and have buckled down quite a bit and have played some excellent football on both sides of the ball that has contributed to the turnaround.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I said (prior to reg season) 8-8 was minimum expectation, and that was before we knew RG was this phenomenal.

I'd answer your other question but defense is a big part of the answer, so nevermind hoss.

so 8-8 now to undefeated?

Lotta injuries on that defense right?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

so 8-8 now to undefeated?

Lotta injuries on that defense right?

My 8-8 (minimum) expectation included injuries with the exception of Fletcher and RG, cause they're just part of football.

I think the players missing on defense is two stories. Carriker and Orakpo went down and that's just part of the game. Big losses no doubt, although Rob Jackson is looking better every week now and Jenkins shows some flashes too. The safety situation isn't a regular part of football IMO, and the FO (so I guess mostly Shanny and somewhat BA) take the blame. We went into the season with a dope head, who's suspension was inevitable, right? And then a guy who was great a few years ago but has been plagued by injury and really not contributed anyway in a a couple years. That's just bad personnel decisions.

Unless Jackson, Merriweather, Doughty and Williams were the best safeties available...? I honestly don't know, but it seems hard to believe.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I want to ask the hatters, what were your expectations this season? And what were your expectations when Shanny and Bruce took over?

I think that would help me understand alot of things.

Dont talk about McNabb, Brown, and the defense...we know the regime's mistakes, No team is perfect. Sure, we know RT and the secondary is an issue and we should have resigned Carlos, we know these things. But what were your expectations?

I usually don't say these things, but whoever is a hater at this point is a f'ing moron and should just stop being a fan of this team. I am not saying that everyone has to drink the Kool Aid, but this has been the best situation this team has been in a LONG time. And this is coming from someone who can be very pessimistic during gamedays.

This front office has made their share of mistakes in the past and they are not without their flaws. The team still has a number of needs, which many hope are addressed in the offseason. And the there will always be questionable moves here and there, because no team is perfect. Look at recent SB winners such as the Giants and Packers, both teams had ups and downs during their runs, yet they won the big one.

As a fan of this team, I love the fact that we are playing relevant games in December with realistic playoff expectations. I love the fact that we are relevant in the NFL period and right now may be a team that no one wants to see in the playoffs. We have an all-pro QB, a stud RB, a game changing receiver, and an offense that is constantly putting up yards and points. And God willing, we may end up being the NFC East Champ.

If ANY fan doesn't appreciate all of this and feels that they must b*tch at every moment about this team, then they are either a moron, an SOB that likes to be miserable all the time, or an a-hole that likes to F with people.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I usually don't say these things, but whoever is a hater at this point is a f'ing moron and should just stop being a fan of this team. I am not saying that everyone has to drink the Kool Aid, but this has been the best situation this team has been in a LONG time. And this is coming from someone who can be very pessimistic during gamedays.


If ANY fan doesn't appreciate all of this and feels that they must b*tch at every moment about this team, then they are either a moron, an SOB that likes to be miserable all the time, or an a-hole that likes to F with people.

Pessimism on gameday is just wrong, especially when you have the rest of the week to be an a-hole

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I want to ask the hatters, what were your expectations this season? And what were your expectations when Shanny and Bruce took over?

I think that would help me understand alot of things.

Dont talk about McNabb, Brown, and the defense...we know the regime's mistakes, No team is perfect. Sure, we know RT and the secondary is an issue and we should have resigned Carlos, we know these things. But what were your expectations?

I think anyone who said after the RG3 trade that "Mike Shanahan can really afford another 5-11 season" would just have being dishonest. A pretty 8-8 (gaudy offensive stats - as we have enjoyed) or any 9-10 win season was baseline expectation.

So we've met baseline expectation for the season already, barring some sort of self-destructive last two games, which I don't think will happen. We're back in the chase for the NFC East, and I think we'll take care of the Eagles pretty routinely.

[punch it in]

Im not sure if you are referring to me, but i was def on the hater side during the early part of the season. I was stoked when they took over. I didnt blame shanny for mcnabb. I thought he had something left in the tank. He had a great year prior. When beck n rex took over i wasnt upset about not drafting a qb. We had a ton of holes. Wasnt till this yr when i realized how good rg3 was that i started questioning the losses. My expectations for this yr were if rex can win 6 Griff can win 10. Looks like i was correct. I always gave Shanny credit for denver - elway was a shell of himself n those sp wins were all shanny. I defended his presser after the panthers game too. Thought it was taken out of context. My expectations for thus season n years to come are the sky is the limit.
So again - i questioned 3-6 start. Still do. But its over and we seemed to have turned a corner. Whats done is done. Im on board. Ask okie after the first giants game / loss - i said we r going to make the playoffs. I saw a team effort in that game.

[Chico23231]

You thought we were a 10 win team? wow. I thought at 9 wins we would be exceeding expectations.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You thought we were a 10 win team? wow. I thought at 9 wins we would be exceeding expectations.

And just think where we might have been if we hadn't had injuries and been the most penalized team in the league. Think about that. It blows my mind. We are the most penalized team in the league and are making a push for a 10 win season and a division championship. That needs to be a big off season coaching point, have to clean that sloppiness up!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You thought we were a 10 win team? wow. I thought at 9 wins we would be exceeding expectations.

Because we had a rookie qb rite? I was a huge fan of rg-3's in college, and liked him alot coming out of college. Once we had sealed the deal with him i seriously thought that even as a rookie he was an immense improvement over rexy or beck. So yeah ten wins seemed possible to me. I also thought our schedule was easier than last years. I was so terribly dissapointed with the slow start that i started to really question what Shanny was doing. Maybe i was over confident but based on the marked improvement at the qb spot which seemed to be the one thing holding us back in so many close losses last yr i didnt know how else to explain the losses.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I usually don't say these things, but whoever is a hater at this point is a f'ing moron and should just stop being a fan of this team. I am not saying that everyone has to drink the Kool Aid, but this has been the best situation this team has been in a LONG time. And this is coming from someone who can be very pessimistic during gamedays.

This front office has made their share of mistakes in the past and they are not without their flaws. The team still has a number of needs, which many hope are addressed in the offseason. And the there will always be questionable moves here and there, because no team is perfect. Look at recent SB winners such as the Giants and Packers, both teams had ups and downs during their runs, yet they won the big one.

As a fan of this team, I love the fact that we are playing relevant games in December with realistic playoff expectations. I love the fact that we are relevant in the NFL period and right now may be a team that no one wants to see in the playoffs. We have an all-pro QB, a stud RB, a game changing receiver, and an offense that is constantly putting up yards and points. And God willing, we may end up being the NFC East Champ.

If ANY fan doesn't appreciate all of this and feels that they must b*tch at every moment about this team, then they are either a moron, an SOB that likes to be miserable all the time, or an a-hole that likes to F with people.

Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel.

Long week at work. Nice way to vent. :FIREdevil

I just also want to gush on how nice it is to be a Redskins fan right now. I even have a Cowpuke fan in my office who is saying positive things about our team.

[rbanerjee23]

I'm curious -- when did it become my job as a fan to suggest alternatives? My job is to cheer the victories, boo the losses and then pontificate about the respective greatness/worthlessness of the team. Saying that you don't buy into the Shanaplan isn't hating. If it is, then why was the question asked in the first place? Do you just want a bunch of yes men on this forum or people who challenge the common mentality with admittedly imperfect arguments.

Building something with as many moving pieces as a football team in an environment as volatile as the NFL is absolutely a multi-year endeavor. But I'm allowed to be upset about the, somewhat, wasted year right? If not, let me know and I'll never say anything negative again.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I'm curious -- when did it become my job as a fan to suggest alternatives? My job is to cheer the victories, boo the losses and then pontificate about the respective greatness/worthlessness of the team. Saying that you don't buy into the Shanaplan isn't hating. If it is, then why was the question asked in the first place? Do you just want a bunch of yes men on this forum or people who challenge the common mentality with admittedly imperfect arguments.

Building something with as many moving pieces as a football team in an environment as volatile as the NFL is absolutely a multi-year endeavor. But I'm allowed to be upset about the, somewhat, wasted year right? If not, let me know and I'll never say anything negative again.

Some people want perfection in a team and do not seem to be happy no matter what happens. I will be the first one to criticize the team about a lot of things. You mentioned wasted years, and I believe 2010 (McNabb) and 2011 (Rex/Beck) were wasted year. I feel that Shanahan could have handled the Haynesworth debacle much better. In looking at more recent issues, the defense is still a conundrum, they've had 10 takeaways and 11 sacks over the 5-game winning streak, yet they've given up about 350 yards per game. The FO took a big gamble on safeties, and they got that part completely wrong.

As you said, this doesn't have to be a group of yes men, agreeing with everything and drinking the Kool Aid. But some people seemed to be content with the complaints and make irrational arguments to make their point.