Skins vs. Eagles Post-Game

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

I meant drop back QBs. Griffin won the division. Griffin carried the team to a Division title on his back. Cousins beat Cleveland.

This will blow your mind then, g84c, would we have won the division if we hadn't beaten Cleveland? Yes or No?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

This will blow your mind then, g84c, would we have won the division if we hadn't beaten Cleveland? Yes or No?

How dare you scoff! You're a scoffer, that's what you are.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

What's the difference between Schaub and Brees. What's the difference between Brady and Ryan? Consistency and winning. Cousins can have good stats but he has to win and he has to have consistency. Time will tell.

I'm curious to know how you (and some others around here) would be acting had RG3 put on that exact performance Sunday. It'd be "he's a pocket passer now!!!" We all know you'd be on here going ape shit about how great he is. And he may be great one day, but he's not right now and he's had 3 major injuries in 6 years to his legs.

[htownskinfan]

I have been camping since Friday and just getting into town and getting caught up
Just seeing some of the replays and hearing about what transpired
I thought the hit by Baker on Nick was a cheap shot, maybe it was a legal play but it was still a cheap shot and I'd be pissed if Philly did that to our quarterback
Heard cousins looked really good except for the last two drives he shit the pot
We were only in the game because of his outstanding play but he definitely could have played better at the end
We should've definitely at least got a field goal out of that last drive to tie it
Very encouraged by the cousins play but the injuries are killing us,we have to beat the giants

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I have been camping since Friday and just getting into town and getting caught up
Just seeing some of the replays and hearing about what transpired
I thought the hit by Baker on Nick was a cheap shot, maybe it was a legal play but it was still a cheap shot and I'd be pissed if Philly did that to our quarterback
Heard cousins looked really good except for the last two drives he shit the pot
We were only in the game because of his outstanding play but he definitely could have played better at the end
We should've definitely at least got a field goal out of that last drive to tie it
Very encouraged by the cousins play but the injuries are killing us,we have to beat the giants

Pretty much sums it up except if the defense and special teams hadnt shit the bed for the entire game, KC wouldnt have been in a pressure situation at the end. He played good enough for us to be up by 30 had any other phase of our team remotely resembled a football team.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Pretty much sums it up except if the defense and special teams hadnt shit the bed for the entire game, KC wouldnt have been in a pressure situation at the end. He played good enough for us to be up by 30 had any other phase of our team remotely resembled a football team.

Yes I forgot to mention special-teams how could I have forgotten? I can't believe our special teams have been this bad for so long
If they're not missing field goals or having ppunts get blocked or letting Teams return for td they are getting a penalty when we make a good return, I don't see how it is so hard not to block somebody in the back

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I have been camping since Friday and just getting into town and getting caught up
Just seeing some of the replays and hearing about what transpired
I thought the hit by Baker on Nick was a cheap shot, maybe it was a legal play but it was still a cheap shot and I'd be pissed if Philly did that to our quarterback
Heard cousins looked really good except for the last two drives he shit the pot
We were only in the game because of his outstanding play but he definitely could have played better at the end
We should've definitely at least got a field goal out of that last drive to tie it
Very encouraged by the cousins play but the injuries are killing us,we have to beat the giants

Somebody who saw the game can maybe add to this, but when I was listening to the radio, there was a play near the end zone when we were driving (the one that ended with the missed field goal), and KC took a delay of game penalty. On that play a Philly defender came and took a cheap shot on Cousins, no flag.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I have been camping since Friday and just getting into town and getting caught up
Just seeing some of the replays and hearing about what transpired
I thought the hit by Baker on Nick was a cheap shot, maybe it was a legal play but it was still a cheap shot and I'd be pissed if Philly did that to our quarterback
Heard cousins looked really good except for the last two drives he shit the pot
We were only in the game because of his outstanding play but he definitely could have played better at the end
We should've definitely at least got a field goal out of that last drive to tie it
Very encouraged by the cousins play but the injuries are killing us,we have to beat the giants

I thought the hit on Foles was not as cheap as the hit that DJax took on his injured shoulder earlier in the game. Luckily it was flagged, but they were obviously targeting his injured shoulder.

If QBs are protected after an INT, then they should not be allowed to tackle the ball carrier.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I thought the hit on Foles was not as cheap as the hit that DJax took on his injured shoulder earlier in the game. Luckily it was flagged, but they were obviously targeting his injured shoulder.

If QBs are protected after an INT, then they should not be allowed to tackle the ball carrier.

Although I thought that DJax reacted poorly, I could not blame him for being upset. It was transparent that he took a cheap shot directed against his hurt shoulder.

Personally, I thought the Eagle (Jenkins) should have been ejected from the game for headhunting.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I thought the hit on Foles was not as cheap as the hit that DJax took on his injured shoulder earlier in the game. Luckily it was flagged, but they were obviously targeting his injured shoulder.

If QBs are protected after an INT, then they should not be allowed to tackle the ball carrier.

yeah, they have to do something about that. a QB cant be protected but still eligible to make a tackle.

Article 9 It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless
posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 73(1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass;
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to
protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or
warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
(3) A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped;
(4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air;
(5) A player on the ground at the end of a play;
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return;
(7) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession, and
(8) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own endline and
approaches the opponent from behind or from the side.
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or
shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless
player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of
the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.
Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a
conventional tackle on an opponent.
Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is
judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.

http://www.nfl.com/static/content/pu...er_Conduct.pdf

above is complete rule on Player Conduct (blocking, tackling, personal fouls etc.)

Why The Hit On Nick Foles Is Absolutely A Dirty Play - Business Insider

above is a decent write up of the play

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the question comes down to "was baker's contact unnecessary"? foles was within 5 yards of an active play, the play was live and he was moving toward engaging the play. baker hit him in the front and below his neck area.

i still think it is PF every time just bc of the culture of protecting QBs. even if you are technically within the rules, the interpretation will always be to protect the QB. every single time.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

yeah, they have to do something about that. a QB cant be protected but still eligible to make a tackle.

Article 9 It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless
posture.
(a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 73(1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass;
(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to
protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or
warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;
(3) A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped;
(4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air;
(5) A player on the ground at the end of a play;
(6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return;
(7) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession, and
(8) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own endline and
approaches the opponent from behind or from the side.
(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or
shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless
player by encircling or grasping him; and
(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of
the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.
Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a
conventional tackle on an opponent.
Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is
judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.

http://www.nfl.com/static/content/pu...er_Conduct.pdf

above is complete rule on Player Conduct (blocking, tackling, personal fouls etc.)

Why The Hit On Nick Foles Is Absolutely A Dirty Play - Business Insider

above is a decent write up of the play

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the question comes down to "was baker's contact unnecessary"? foles was within 5 yards of an active play, the play was live and he was moving toward engaging the play. baker hit him in the front and below his neck area.

i still think it is PF every time just bc of the culture of protecting QBs. even if you are technically within the rules, the interpretation will always be to protect the QB. every single time.

I think it should've been called a PF, but Baker should have been ejected. I feel the only reason he was ejected was because of Peter.

If the NFL wants to protect QBs, then they should amend this rule to prevent QBs from tackling a ball carrier. Otherwise, QBs should be treated just like any other player.

[over the mountain]

WATCH LIVE: Jay Gruden At The Podium

Gruden's presser from yesterday. At the 6:45 mark he talks about the 4th and 10 play. my quick transcription so errors and brevity may be there

"desean on a clear out route. roberts was running a 7 route and pierre was on a basic cross. Pierre ran a great route and just missed the throw ... there ws some pressure there ... play design had a couple good options ... want a few options capable of picking up 10 yards .."

Cousins just missed the last throw.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

WATCH LIVE: Jay Gruden At The Podium



Gruden's presser from yesterday. At the 6:45 mark he talks about the 4th and 10 play. my quick transcription so errors and brevity may be there



"desean on a clear out route. roberts was running a 7 route and pierre was on a basic cross. Pierre ran a great route and just missed the throw ... there ws some pressure there ... play design had a couple good options ... want a few options capable of picking up 10 yards .."



Cousins just missed the last throw.

So thats what happened? Lol
Edit: the worse part is had he hit Garcon there was (if i remember correctly) one S to beat. The S was not exactly in the greatest position to dtop Garcon either. That could have been 7.

[over the mountain]

when i saw it, i thought perhaps garcon made a read and broke his route to get into the open space and kirk just didnt read it the same way and assumed garcon would continue the route going straight (and into coverage).

i was curious if the last play was bc kirk and garcon arent on the same page yet vs kirk just missing the throw/bothered by peripheral pressure.

turns out - kirk made a bad throw bc of perceived pressure .... (devils advocate to defend kirk says the last thing you want is for your qb to take a sack on 4th down and at least kirk was aware of that .. albeit maybe too aware and sensitive)

i still think kirk's throws on 2nd and 3rd down (2 consecutive out routes) were very accurate throws but bad decisions as the corner was blanketing the receiver and anticipating a sideline throw.

wish we had called a screen on 2nd or 3rd instead but thats hindsight.

[over the mountain]

C - it was loud and they guy actually dove at cousins, it was late but excusable imo if you watched the play. gruden did mention it in his presser saying they hit our QB 3 seconds after the whistle ... but gruden did a good job of not criticizing the refs

it was close but a good non-call imo. of course i hope the skins get the same benefit of the doubt in the future bc that situation happens once every couple games