Im done....Gibbs must go.

[The Zimmermans]

Yesterday we ran the crap outta the ball............We lost by 10 points. There are many more factors than people believe. Chiefs always run for over 150 yards but they have 5 losses........anyone noticing these things?

[GTripp0012]

You don't need to have any sort of running game to win, IMO, assuming you can throw the ball to any part of the field. If you can't use the entire field in the passing game, then you need the compliment run game.

A running game makes the passers' job much easier...but ultimately you have to make the throws or you lose.

[JWsleep]

Is this thread still going?:smashfrea

Look, Gibbs and Saunders know how to pass--did y'all watch the other teams those guys have coached? They demand BALANCE and that's what we're lacking. We always seem to do one and then not the other. We've had great trouble putting it all together in one game this year, on both sides of the ball.

JC will learn how to do things, and as the coaches get more confident in him, things will run better. But right now he's essentailly a rookie going into his 4th game, with a complex system, spotty pass blocking, and a crap D. It's going to be rough for a while, folks. A little patience is in order. I know, I know, we've been patient, it's been years, we've regressed, etc. But I think the other option is worse--a total tear-daown for a new coach, new staffs, new systems, new players. Sometimes it works--NO is a good example. But often it does not. I think we've got a good staff that will adapt, and I am optimistic about our young QB. But it will take some time, especailly with our weak-ass D.

If we have to change a coach, I'd get rid of GW and give the D to Blache. He's a proven guy, a vet, liked by the players, and he's already there, so he wouldn't have to start everything from scratch.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

If we have to change a coach, I'd get rid of GW and give the D to Blache. He's a proven guy, a vet, liked by the players, and he's already there, so he wouldn't have to start everything from scratch.

But it was Gregg Williams who brought in these players because his schemes could maximize their physical tools. So why would a coach who isn't Gregg Williams have anymore success with them?

If Gregg Williams can't get results with these players, then the defense needs to be gutted, meaning the following guys have to go:

Gregg Williams
Philip Daniels
Renaldo Wynn
Cornelius Griffin
Shawn Springs
Warrick Holdman
maybe Marcus Washington

Lemar Marshall would be in the last year of his contract in 2007, which isn't to be extended barring a great 07 campaign.

Your building blocks are these guys:

Sean Taylor
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Rocky McIntosh
Marcus, if he isn't cut

And that's how you have to rebuild the D.

If GW gets it together these last 4 weeks, then its a different story.

[MTK]

You need balance in this league more than anything.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You need balance in this league more than anything.

Very true, but balance doesn't necessarily have to be run vs pass. You can run in many different ways and throw in many different ways. It's about keeping the D off balance.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Very true, but balance doesn't necessarily have to be run vs pass. You can run in many different ways and throw in many different ways. It's about keeping the D off balance.

this is pretty much what i am trying to say! thanks!

and i am saying gibbs does not understand this!

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by mason4415

this is pretty much what i am trying to say! thanks!

and i am saying gibbs does not understand this!

When Gibbs was calling the plays last year his play selection was 352 run versus 356 pass. I think he has a decent idea about balance. Moss set a Redskin record for receiving yards, Brunell had one of his best seasons statistically and Portis broke the Redskins rushing record.

Oops, those were lthis years numbers. Last year's numbers are: 525 versus 481.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

When Gibbs was calling the plays last year his play selection was 352 run versus 356 pass. I think he has a decent idea about balance. Moss set a Redskin record for receiving yards, Brunell had one of his best seasons statistically and Portis broke the Redskins rushing record.

Oops, those were lthis years numbers. Last year's numbers are: 525 versus 481.

i said he didn't understand keeping the defense off-balance.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Very true, but balance doesn't necessarily have to be run vs pass. You can run in many different ways and throw in many different ways. It's about keeping the D off balance.

I completely agree.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You need balance in this league more than anything.

i completely agree with you but only on a macro-level... balance means you can pass for 400 yards in one game and run for 300 in another... like yesterday, they didn't need balance. they needed to pound the ball. Betts should've had 280 yards rushing yesterday.

there have been other games when we weren't able to run the ball well. we should be able to throw the ball 45 times for 350/400 yards in order to compete. THAT is what we're missing. and a lot of it is coaching.

contrary to what many people believe, balance is not needed on gameday. balance is needed in terms of the entire season.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mason4415

i completely agree with you but only on a macro-level... balance means you can pass for 400 yards in one game and run for 300 in another... like yesterday, they didn't need balance. they needed to pound the ball. Betts should've had 280 yards rushing yesterday.

there have been other games when we weren't able to run the ball well. we should be able to throw the ball 45 times for 350/400 yards in order to compete. THAT is what we're missing. and a lot of it is coaching.

contrary to what many people believe, balance is not needed on gameday. balance is needed in terms of the entire season.

I disagree, we did need balance yesterday.

You can't just continue running the ball regardless of the situations. What we needed yesterday were some key plays from the passing game. We needed to make some plays to get them out of that all blitz mode, which we couldn't do.

If we could have made 4-5 key plays through the air it could have been a different game.

Balance in this case doesn't mean we needed a 50/50 split of runs to passes, balance just means we needed more production from the passing game when called upon.

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I disagree, we did need balance yesterday.

You can't just continue running the ball regardless of the situations. What we needed yesterday were some key plays from the passing game. We needed to make some plays to get them out of that all blitz mode, which we couldn't do.

If we could have made 4-5 key plays through the air it could have been a different game.

Balance in this case doesn't mean we needed a 50/50 split of runs to passes, balance just means we needed more production from the passing game when called upon.

that's a pretty loose definition of balance... 4/5 key plays through the air over a course of the entire game!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mason4415

that's a pretty loose definition of balance... 4/5 key plays through the air over a course of the entire game!

4 to 5 additional plays from what we had. That would have helped extend a few drives and give us more scoring chances, and if we could have beat ATL's blitz they would have eventually backed off from bringing pressure.

[The Zimmermans]

Too many playactions yesterday, limiting the time for campbell to throw. Once the falcsons picked up on the fact that we playactioned on every pass play, they started to read it, and that led to the campbell interception, another point that leads to the balance issue. Can't be predicable in this league.