For all you D Hall lovers

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Skins Like Canty ... and Other Free-Agent Buzz - Redskins Insider

I really can't believe that Hall will not sign a reasonable contract. It amazes me, and really makes me want him less. Argue what you will about how he deserves to be paid or that he is a top flight CB. The fact remains in his brief career he has been on 3 teams. If the Skins offered him over $10million guaranteed as reported, I think it is outrageous that he has not signed. (Spare me what Oakland paid, just tack Oakland's 8mill that he "stole" last year to whatever our contract offer was and he would be in the same range) I like his hands, but at this point if he leaves, I for one will not cry a bit.

Well put. A little self-reflection might be in order, but that ain't his style.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Skins Like Canty ... and Other Free-Agent Buzz - Redskins Insider

I really can't believe that Hall will not sign a reasonable contract. It amazes me, and really makes me want him less. Argue what you will about how he deserves to be paid or that he is a top flight CB. The fact remains in his brief career he has been on 3 teams. If the Skins offered him over $10million guaranteed as reported, I think it is outrageous that he has not signed. (Spare me what Oakland paid, just tack Oakland's 8mill that he "stole" last year to whatever our contract offer was and he would be in the same range) I like his hands, but at this point if he leaves, I for one will not cry a bit.

Why would he sign a 'reasonable' contract? If you saw some of the salaries of your peers and knew that despite some past indiscretions you knew there was someone out there who would pay you commensurate to what everyone else was getting would you take 15% less to stay with your old employer? Of course not.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Skins Like Canty ... and Other Free-Agent Buzz - Redskins Insider

I really can't believe that Hall will not sign a reasonable contract. It amazes me, and really makes me want him less. Argue what you will about how he deserves to be paid or that he is a top flight CB. The fact remains in his brief career he has been on 3 teams. If the Skins offered him over $10million guaranteed as reported, I think it is outrageous that he has not signed. (Spare me what Oakland paid, just tack Oakland's 8mill that he "stole" last year to whatever our contract offer was and he would be in the same range) I like his hands, but at this point if he leaves, I for one will not cry a bit.

I'm really getting frustrated with the Hall situation myself. But blame is going to have to go to FO for once again not having the foresight to see what would happen if Hall was not signed quickly. Now instead of paying him 13-14M, they will probably have to offer him at least 15-18M maybe more.

At this point Hall has the right to test the market without feeling guilty. What bothers me is we benched Rogers to showcase Hall to the entire NFL and now have to fight financially to keep him.

If the Skins thought Hall would feel indebted to them because they "rescued him when nobody else wanted him". They were dead wrong.
Its always about the $,$$$,$$$

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 44ever

I'm really getting frustrated with the Hall situation myself. But blame is going to have to go to FO for once again not having the foresight to see what would happen if Hall was not signed quickly. Now instead of paying him 13-14M, they will probably have to offer him at least 15-18M maybe more.

At this point Hall has the right to test the market without feeling guilty. What bothers me is we benched Rogers to showcase Hall to the entire NFL and now have to fight financially to keep him.

If the Skins thought Hall would feel indebted to them because they "rescued him when nobody else wanted him". They were dead wrong.
Its always about the $,$$$,$$$

If I were Hall, I would not have signed a contract before free agency. For Hall is a win-win situation. If he finds something better, he can go to another team. If not, he can come back to the Redskins. I know we're thinking of what's best for the team, but players also have to think about themselves. The teams are not going to care about a player if he gets injured, doesn't play anymore and doesn't see a dime of his salary (just the guaranteed money). Also,the teams are not going to care when they have to cut a player, it's just a financial decision. Why do we (including me) chastise a player for making a financial decision, yet we praise (sometimes) when a team makes the same thing?

That aside, I do feel the Redskins should have tried to sign Hall before free agency, but such is life.

[MTK]

If Hall wants to test the market let him. It's certainly his right to do so, I find it hard to blame him for that.

[53Fan]

I guess I can understand Hall wanting to test his value on the market, but if he's going to try to hold us up for a huge contract, send him on his way and let's move on.

[SmootSmack]

DeAngelo Hall has a relatively new agent, who I also mentioned recently is Andre Smith's agent, and this guy apparently is extremely methodical and kind of raw. But I think SS33 mentioned that he plays ball with the guy and he's pretty nice so I don't think he's trying to hoodwink anyone or be dishonest, just trying to take care of his clients.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

DeAngelo Hall has a relatively new agent, who I also mentioned recently is Andre Smith's agent, and this guy apparently is extremely methodical and kind of raw. But I think SS33 mentioned that he plays ball with the guy and he's pretty nice so I don't think he's trying to hoodwink anyone or be dishonest, just trying to take care of his clients.

I didn't know Alvin Keels was Hall's agent also. He's a younger guy (early 30s) and has been on his own, not from one of the mega-agencies. I can tell you he's a straight up guy, not a Rosenhaus-type.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

at this point, i would be shocked if we are able to keep Hall. As ive said before, his likely destination is new england. we should have signed him a month ago when he could have been had fairly cheap.

[bedlamVR]

I think that Hall would be better taking a deal here because he knows he can work in this system . The last thing his career needs is another Oakland .

Lets say he signs a $50 mil contract here, he will get a chunk of that upfront but is also likely to see every penny of that deal .

He signs somewhere like NE dis deal will be incentive loaded and IF he struggles in thir system it doesn't matter if he was offer a $60 deal he would be lucky to see a fraction of that .

Yes he restored his reputation somewhat last year in Washington but he was in a backfield with an up and coming safty (Landry), and established top CB (Springs) and one of the top 10 young CBs in the game (Rogers) ...if he goes somewhere he has to do it all himself then more questions get raised .

I think one thing holding up the deal is the fact Hall is using 2 agents . Once Hall gets done we will move to release Springs which opens up the cap room to address the lines. .

[BigHairedAristocrat]

As the top corner available, hall is most certainly out of our price range.

Heres an interesting article on some of the other cornes available.

Free Agency Preview (Cornerbacks): Why the Redskins shouldn't pay DeAngelo Hall the big bucks - Hog Heaven

I think Hall is grossly underrated there. I'd give him something around 85; and he has the potential to go a little higher, but the rest of the guys are more or less comparable. McFadden, Foxworth, and Bodden could all likely be had for probably 80% (rough estimate) of what Hall will make elsewhere.

If we end up landing Haynesworth, we could just fine with one of them, assuming we also commit to extending Rogers long-term.

If we dont land haynesworth, id pay the premium to get Hall, sign a corner like Buchannon or Bly, and then trade Rogers for a high 2nd rounder.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

As the top corner available, hall is most certainly out of our price range.

Heres an interesting article on some of the other cornes available.

Free Agency Preview (Cornerbacks): Why the Redskins shouldn't pay DeAngelo Hall the big bucks - Hog Heaven

I think Hall is grossly underrated there. I'd give him something around 85; and he has the potential to go a little higher, but the rest of the guys are more or less comparable. McFadden, Foxworth, and Bodden could all likely be had for probably 80% (rough estimate) of what Hall will make elsewhere.

If we end up landing Haynesworth, we could just fine with one of them, assuming we also commit to extending Rogers long-term.

If we dont land haynesworth, id pay the premium to get Hall, sign a corner like Buchannon or Bly, and then trade Rogers for a high 2nd rounder.

I am all of the sudden feeling a lot of doubt that Hall is in our future. If the FO was set on him i think we'd have seen to things happen... 1) Springs cut 2) Hall signed before FA begins (cuz BHA is almost certainly right that his value will go way up after midnight tonight). I think this is a huge bummer man. Hall is a playmaker, much younger than Springs and a bit younger than Smoot and Los. Worst of all it looked like we could have got him for significantly less than what NE or some other franchise is going to pay him if the rumors a few weeks ago were true... we'll see.

[The Goat]

Hall is listed as the 7th overall top FA...

Albert Haynesworth, Kurt Warner among top 25 NFL free agents - Bucky Brooks - SI.com

[44ever]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Hall is listed as the 7th overall top FA...

Albert Haynesworth, Kurt Warner among top 25 NFL*free agents - Bucky Brooks - SI.com

Makes me want him even more. If NE gets him i'll be pretty pi$$ed

[That Guy]

foxworth is a good player and probably wont make stupid money. that might be a better way to go if this deal isn't happening.