The never ending Jason Campbell player haters ball

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Sanchez is Hispanic. A very fine one though. That said, Rex's dad really didn't give a crap about race, and it's likely Buddy passed it down...

Buddy Ryan was known to have racist tendencies. Just ask David Duerson. However, i think that was a reflection of that time in the NFL, and not so much Buddy Ryan the person.

[Ruhskins]

My God, why is this thread still open?

[aceinthehouse]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

My God, why is this thread still open?

This thread will probably go away as soon as Campbell proves us all wrong....

Which means thewarpath.net will win the award of the longest continued thread on the web.....

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Did you even read my post?

Yeah and I also noticed how you pasted the article right after you said what you said. But let's get to your point. It wasn't an illegal formation just the wrong formation. QB's that know their playbook can make adjustments at the line. OR if you know what formation you are supposed to be in, you can call a timeout. Sort of like if you see that a blitz is coming you can change the protection, which is something else that he doesn't like to do.

You're right that many QB's make the mistakes that Jason makes, but the good ones have more positives. And until he finds a way to have more of those, then he'll ride the pine.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

My God, why is this thread still open?

Because if he were playing well in Oakland there would be one about that, only it would be at about 30 pages by now.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Because if he were playing well in Oakland there would be one about that, only it would be at about 30 pages by now.

And it would be just as worthless.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

You're right that many QB's make the mistakes that Jason makes, but the good ones have more positives. And until he finds a way to have more of those, then he'll ride the pine.

Many QBs make the same mistakes that Campbell makes except that Campbell becamee the scapegoat for all the deficiencies of our bad Redskins team and now people seem predisposed towards bashing him.
Is JC a great QB? Nope.
But the fact remain JC is what he's is and unless you're one of those peoples that disregards stats JC was the 15th rated QB in the NFL under quite possibly the worst set of circumstances a QB can have. (As opposed to Palmer who was the 16th rated QB and put up identical numbers despite have every benefit that Campbell lacked.)

Now i don't know about you but if you traded for a QB would you put him in a situation that would help him win?
Does pulling him after a game and a half then changing the playcalling style to make the 2nd more comfortable strike you as the way to go about it?
The 2nd QB who had the benefit of better pass protection?


Q: Bruce was not sacked in the second half. Was that a function of offensive line play, mobility or both?
Cable: I think a little bit of both, but I thought we cleaned up some things. He got flushed twice, but I thought we cleaned up some things in terms of blitzes.
We talked all week, the quarterback would have to handle that overload pressure sometimes and either get it out of his hand or get himself in a better play, better protection, and I felt that other than the one free hitter on Jason early in the game, we just missed an assignment there, but really, Veldheer got beat the one time, other than it was kind of normal play back and forth. But I do think we adjusted well and I think we handled the pressures better.

Q: It appeared Jason had deeper routes and Bruce had shorter routes . . .
(30gut-deeper rights although the pass protection wasn't great does that sound good to you?)

Cable: Early, that’s true because we wanted to get him started right but we were still throwing the deep balls and the go-routes, the big daggers and those things, so it probably went back to more the same.

But early, yeah, we wanted to get him in there and get him started and let him make some quick plays and see if he could get everyone’s confidence going.
(30gut-Why not do this same thing for Campbell^^ to start the game? But there's more.....)
Q: How much does who is at quarterback influence the play-calling?

Cable: Well, for us, I don’t think it matters for either guy. I think it’s just the situation of bringing a guy off the bench at halftime and you want to get him something quick and easy and get him started.
But you do that periodically throughout the game and I think every team, when you kind of feel a lull, you might get some quick balls or maybe some no-huddle, trying to change momentum a little bit. So I just think it’s a product of that more than anything.
(30gut-Again why not do that with Campbell?)

JC is in a tough spot in Oakland and its gonna take a lot to make it work.
He's seemingly caught in a power struggle between the HC and owner.

[denim_monger]

man alive why do you fools care about your old qb anymore, you gots one of the best now with mcnugget !!!!!!!!

still not as good as my man shaub though yowser!!!!!!

[SirClintonPortis]

That article is load of bull because it cites stats, but doesn't comment on how the QB was playing with regards to all the other throws he was attempting.

Flacco threw 4 picks, but he also came out of the gate with a TD drive to begin the second half against a good defense.

[skinsfaninok]

Examining Oakland's QB dilemma - AFC West Blog - ESPN

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Examining Oakland's QB dilemma - AFC West Blog - ESPN

Oakland should've spent whatever they traded for Campbell on an offensive lineman. They are a terrible team and they got a mediocre QB to go along with that terrible offensive line.

As the Cowpukes have shown, you won't get anywhere with a terrible offensive line. Unless you have an elite QB like Rodgers or P. Manning or Brees. Then again, Al Davis runs that team, so this whole mess is not surprising.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by denim_monger

man alive why do you fools care about your old qb anymore, you gots one of the best now with mcnugget !!!!!!!!

still not as good as my man shaub though yowser!!!!!!

Don't come on here with that Bandwagon stuff lol And McNabb is still better than shaub.. Matt needs Great Wrs to be successful, DMac never does.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

That article is load of bull because it cites stats, but doesn't comment on how the QB was playing with regards to all the other throws he was attempting.

Dude, the article isn't trying to parse wether the QBs were playing poorly or not i think the author would concede that either all the QBs were playing poorly and should have been benched or that all the QBs were playing poorly and deserved to work their way through it. But, either way he's not claiming that the black QBs were playing well. The article is pointing out that it appears that when 2 QBs are playing poorly it appears that the black QB is more likely to get pulled.

Flacco threw 4 picks, but he also came out of the gate with a TD drive to begin the second half against a good defense.

Good point but if Flacco would have been pulled (which many silly Baltimore fan's wanted) he would have never had the chance to throw the TD to start the 2nd half.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Examining Oakland's QB dilemma - AFC West Blog - ESPN

Interesting article.

Originally Posted by Bill Williamson/Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc

Williamson said Campbell is a drop-back quarterback who can have success in the vertical passing game, which works well with Oakland’s receivers and their offensive philosophy. However, because of Oakland’s poor offensive line, Campbell is a bad fit because he can’t get out of trouble on his own and has no time to set up the long pass. That was evident in Campbell’s six quarters as Oakland’s quarterback in Weeks 1 and 2.

Williamson thinks Gradkowski is the type of player who can make do with Oakland’s weak offensive line because he gets the ball out of hands quickly and he makes plays with his feet. When the protection breaks down, Gradkowski can keep plays going. But Williamson said he doesn’t believe Gradkowski possesses the big arm to use Oakland’s fleet receivers and he isn’t a perfect fit for Oakland’s offensive scheme.

I think Williamson underestimates Campbell ability in the short rhythm passing game.
Although it doesn't use his strengths Campbell ,at least in my opinion, proved that he can execute a 3-5 step drop passing game with effeciency that's a positive from his time in Washington he improved as quick rhythm timing QB b/c Zorn and the lack of pass protection forced him.
Look at Campbells play when Bingo Lewis was calling plays.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Don't come on here with that Bandwagon stuff lol And McNabb is still better than shaub.. Matt needs Great Wrs to be successful, DMac never does.

LOL, sorry, but I would take Shaub in a heartbeat over DMac. Love DMac, but Schaub right now is the better QB.