Redskins Lions postgame

[That Guy]

why did we pass it 50 times today? did the score dictate that :P or are we just abandoning our game plan purely on principle now?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by That Guy

why did we pass it 50 times today? did the score dictate that :P or are we just abandoning our game plan purely on principle now?

Really bad coaching. I put that on Kyle. I have no clue why we are not running the ball. And I have no clue are only play is the pistol pitch.

I really wish we put RG3 under center more and run outta different looks from that set. RG3 play action is so much more effective when he's under center. When he outta the pistol, play action is not as good. Like to see more Helu on second, first down. Maybe run some draw outta shotgun or more conventional RB screens on 1st down.

[Sonny9TD]

The 3 attempts at the end of the game to score a TD that failed is basically what is wrong. They struggle to make plays. Then any other time they have one decent play, one bad play, and one play with not quite enough yards and then punt. They struggle just to run plays correctly. Bring back the option or it will be like this every Sunday.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Sonny9TD

The 3 attempts at the end of the game to score a TD that failed is basically what is wrong. They struggle to make plays. Then any other time they have one decent play, one bad play, and one play with not quite enough yards and then punt. They struggle just to run plays correctly. Bring back the option or it will be like this every Sunday.

No, it's the historically bad defense! As long as the defense gives up 500 yards per game, the Skins will struggle to win, no matter what they do on offense or special teams.

There are some brush fires on offense and special teams but there is a raging conflagration on defense that needs to be put out now.

[Sonny9TD]

[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1028142]No, it's the historically bad defense! As long as the defense gives up 500 yards per game, the Skins will struggle to win, no matter what they do on offense or special teams.

conflagration?

The Skins could have won yesterday if the offense could have scored a touchdown. Let's not forget the goal is to score touchdowns which leads to points which leads to having a chance to win. The defense didn't lose the game yesterday. The offense did. That was and is painfully obvious. But the defense stinks yes.

[Defensewins]

Alfred Morris 15 carries yesterday and it was not a blow out. WTF! It seems this team forgot about the running game.

It is really early in the season. Not saying that we are playing like a good team right now, because we are not, but some help is hopefully on the way. Week 6 we get Jarvis Jenkins, Rob Jackson and hopefully Tanard Jackson back.
We are two games away from a tie for first in the NFC Least. Skins just have to stay with in reach. As soon as Demarco Murray gets injured as he always does. that team will implode. Cowboys like the Giants do not have any RB depth. One injury to Demarco and that team is dead in the water, because they go back to being one dimensional like last year.
When did it become fashionable in the NFL for some teams to only keep one good RB? Cowboys and Giants have 3 to 4 good WR's and two good TE's but only one good RB? I bet the Giants are regretting letting Ahmad Bradshaw go, especially since he went for 19 carries for 95 yards and 1 TD yesterday. DOH!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Alfred Morris 15 carries yesterday and it was not a blow out. WTF! It seems this team forgot about the running game.

It is really early in the season. Not saying that we are playing like a good team right now, because we are not, but some help is hopefully on the way. Week 6 we get Jarvis Jenkins, Rob Jackson and hopefully Tanard Jackson back.
We are two games away from a tie for first in the NFC Least. Skins just have to stay with in reach. As soon as Demarco Murray gets injured as he always does. that team will implode. Cowboys like the Giants do not have any RB depth. One injury to Demarco and that team is dead in the water, because they go back to being one dimensional like last year.
When did it become fashionable in the NFL for some teams to only keep one good RB? Cowboys and Giants have 3 to 4 good WR's and two good TE's but only one good RB? I bet the Giants are regretting letting Ahmad Bradshaw go, especially since he went for 19 carries for 95 yards and 1 TD yesterday. DOH!

eternal optimism at it's best!

[Paintrain]

Wow, the sky has completely fallen.

I'm as disappointed as any of you but talking about 0-16, trading Orakpo, firing a Shanahan, etc. While my expectation of 11-5 or anything close seems to be a pipe dream right now I don't think this overall team is historically bad as some are suggesting. The defense, well maybe.

Not trying to pull positives from a loss to a team that's won 6 of their past 19 games but aside from the 2 completely avoidable, yet crushing turnovers by RG3 this was his best game by far and resembled 2012 RG3 at some points.

The throw that Robinson dropped (yes dropped, no excuses, catch it cleanly there's no need to replay it-leave it out of the refs decision) was perfect. He was making throws all day that were on the money and giving his WR a chance to get some YAC. His pre-fumble scramble is what scared the hell out of defenses pre-ACL. Eliminate his mistakes and we'd all be saying 'HE'S BACK!' this morning.

Kyle needs an ass whupping. 50-15 pass/run balance is stupid. No screens called to Morris or Helu. Too many WR screens on 3rd and medium. No stretch runs and an infatuation with the toss/pitch. One of his worst games as a playcaller IMO.

Our tackling is abysmal. Where has Stephen Bowen been? Fletcher has lost 3 steps. Amerson is playing like a rookie and the big play vs. Burleson was killer but this was his best game by far. Haslett needs to get out of the booth before he's out of a job.

Finally special teams have been weak and the penalties are all on MS. Can't allow them.. In a 7 point loss, can't give the offense 20 free yards and an additional 1st down in scoring territory.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Wow, the sky has completely fallen.

I'm as disappointed as any of you but talking about 0-16, trading Orakpo, firing a Shanahan, etc. While my expectation of 11-5 or anything close seems to be a pipe dream right now I don't think this overall team is historically bad as some are suggesting. The defense, well maybe.

Not trying to pull positives from a loss to a team that's won 6 of their past 19 games but aside from the 2 completely avoidable, yet crushing turnovers by RG3 this was his best game by far and resembled 2012 RG3 at some points.

The throw that Robinson dropped (yes dropped, no excuses, catch it cleanly there's no need to replay it-leave it out of the refs decision) was perfect. He was making throws all day that were on the money and giving his WR a chance to get some YAC. His pre-fumble scramble is what scared the hell out of defenses pre-ACL. Eliminate his mistakes and we'd all be saying 'HE'S BACK!' this morning.

Kyle needs an ass whupping. 50-15 pass/run balance is stupid. No screens called to Morris or Helu. Too many WR screens on 3rd and medium. No stretch runs and an infatuation with the toss/pitch. One of his worst games as a playcaller IMO.

Our tackling is abysmal. Where has Stephen Bowen been? Fletcher has lost 3 steps. Amerson is playing like a rookie and the big play vs. Burleson was killer but this was his best game by far. Haslett needs to get out of the booth before he's out of a job.

Finally special teams have been weak and the penalties are all on MS. Can't allow them.. In a 7 point loss, can't give the offense 20 free yards and an additional 1st down in scoring territory.

He didn't play as bad as everyone is saying. But his turnovers killed the team, as did numerous other things. Hopefully he can build on the positives yesterday. However, because of the heavy price that was paid to get him, we need him to be a great QB. Not one that makes stupid Int's in the red zone, or one that makes a great throw, then a bad one. W/out the threat to run, I'm just not sure he'll ever be a great QB.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He didn't play as bad as everyone is saying. But his turnovers killed the team, as did numerous other things. Hopefully he can build on the positives yesterday. However, because of the heavy price that was paid to get him, we need him to be a great QB. Not one that makes stupid Int's in the red zone, or one that makes a great throw, then a bad one. W/out the threat to run, I'm just not sure he'll ever be a great QB.

Show me a QB in the NFL who is infallible. 19 games into his pro career he's gonna have stinkers and dumb plays. We've all seen Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. make mistakes, I'm not gonna kill him for those until they become a pattern.

I wonder if in 4 weeks we will still be talking about him not being 'a threat to run'. He showed pretty good mobility and ability yesterday. He's not going to beat every defender to the corner, in the NFL nobody will, but he will beat most. If defenses keep playing man to man, he will be able to get those 20 yard chunks when he breaks contain. If that forces them into playing zone, all the better for our offense.

If you can't see progress in his game from week one to yesterday, you simply aren't watching.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Show me a QB in the NFL who is infallible. 19 games into his pro career he's gonna have stinkers and dumb plays. We've all seen Manning, Brady, Rodgers, etc. make mistakes, I'm not gonna kill him for those until they become a pattern.

I wonder if in 4 weeks we will still be talking about him not being 'a threat to run'. He showed pretty good mobility and ability yesterday. He's not going to beat every defender to the corner, in the NFL nobody will, but he will beat most. If defenses keep playing man to man, he will be able to get those 20 yard chunks when he breaks contain. If that forces them into playing zone, all the better for our offense.

If you can't see progress in his game from week one to yesterday, you simply aren't watching.

Sorry but what my eyes tell me isn't right. He got ran down from behind by a DE's a couple times, he threw behind guys, he threw high, low, and a terrible pick...then he makes some great throws, especially the one to Robinson. Like everyone else, he needs to play better, but he's getting too much blame, just like last year, he was getting too much credit.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but what my eyes tell me isn't right. He got ran down from behind by a DE's a couple times, he threw behind guys, he threw high, low, and a terrible pick...then he makes some great throws, especially the one to Robinson. Like everyone else, he needs to play better, but he's getting too much blame, just like last year, he was getting too much credit.

Not to go too much football nerd on you but football is a game of angles as much as it is about speed.. He wasn't out run to any corner, he wasn't able to get the angle. When he was caught from behind, again, if a DE is already running at a flat angle towards him and he's just getting started from a flat foot position, even at full health he's getting caught from behind. Nobody ran him down in the open field nor did they catch him from behind on his designed runs/boots. His accuracy was spotty, no doubt and he needs to improve on that and overall he needs to get better.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but what my eyes tell me isn't right. He got ran down from behind by a DE's a couple times, he threw behind guys, he threw high, low, and a terrible pick...then he makes some great throws, especially the one to Robinson. Like everyone else, he needs to play better, but he's getting too much blame, just like last year, he was getting too much credit.

Talking about the one he dropped. That pass was under thrown and probably the reason it was dropped.

[CultBrennan59]

8. The Magic Number of games that Shanahan has to win this year to keep his job.

What do you all think? How many games must Shanahan win this year, bare minimum to keep his job.

[MTK]

The optimist in me says we still have 5 division games to go. Plenty of opportunity to make up ground.

But then I look at the D and I want to throw up.