Skins Viks Postgame

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Please someone give me the arguement why Burns should continue as coach of Special Teams?

He won't be here but it's not all on him.

[skinsfaninok]

This one is the hardest loss to take over the past 2 yrs IMO. Simply because we were Rolling them and were expected to win. Now reality sits back in .

[Bucket]

Oh how bright the torches get after a loss. Hopefully we win next week so I can see through the brightness.

Garcon dropped a game winning pass
Moss dropped a game winning pass
Reed dropped a game winning pass
RG3 Overthrew by 10 yards Paulsen on a crucial drive
Paulsen dropped a TD
Kerrigan dropped a Game sealing INT

Many more player mistakes. Players make the plays. Vikings made them, and we didn't. That's pretty much the bottom line. Coaches prepare the players to play so I suppose you could lean it on them.

I will admit Haslet seems out of his element coaching the defense. Who would of thought that the DB's would be our strong suit at this point in the year. Morris Maybe?

One play that sticks out to me is :

When we attempted the fake punt. I know it wouldn't of mattered because we were not lined up on the snap, but how does Paul NOT EXPECT A BALL TO BE THROWN HIS WAY? I use to play the wide gunner on the punt team and if NOBODY is lined up over you than you should be screaming for the ball... What? You going to just defend the punt with nobody over top you?

There is a signal in place for when that happens and the play develops. We use to call out Mississippi. Which means "Miss" alignment and the snap would happen and a quick throw.

It just baffles me that players in the PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE fail to recognize things they should of learned in HIGH SCHOOL.

Then again, this could be because of bad special teams coaching. Who know? All I know is i'm a fan and we are 3-6, not 0-6 and we still have a shot because the whole division sucks camel toe. So, I'm hoping we win next week.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Please someone give me the arguement why Burns should continue as coach of Special Teams?

Who do we have on special teams that really stand out?

I think we're seeing now the value of Lorenzo Alexander. And losing Crawford hurt too.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who do we have on special teams that really stand out?

I think we're seeing now the value of Lorenzo Alexander. And losing Crawford hurt too.

I thought Paul could ball? I thought we had the best depth in years? I see way too many peanalties on teams and I see our coverage teams amazingly poor. Crawford hurt, but we drafted guys with supposid skills like Thompson. I see a complete clusterfuck of a miscommunication last night, and another game where we had 2 blocked kicks. This drop off is unacceptable.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I thought Paul could ball? I thought we had the best depth in years? I see way too many peanalties on teams and I see our coverage teams amazingly poor. Crawford hurt, but we drafted guys with supposid skills like Thompson. I see a complete clusterfuck of a miscommunication last night, and another game where we had 2 blocked kicks. This drop off is unacceptable.

Thompson wasn't drafted to play teams though.

Danny Smith had kicks blocked too.

The coverage is what's really killed us, that's where Zo comes in. Plus the guy was a leader on the field. Losing him definitely had an impact.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Thompson wasn't drafted to play teams though.

Danny Smith had kicks blocked too.

The coverage is what's really killed us, that's where Zo comes in. Plus the guy was a leader on the field. Losing him definitely had an impact.

I just dont think the expectations should be multiple special teams breakdown each week. The penalty on teams have been turdble as well. I dont think Zo being here would solve much this year on teams.

[calia]

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1040088]Thompson wasn't drafted to play teams though.

Danny Smith had kicks blocked too.

The coverage is what's really killed us, that's where Zo comes in. Plus the guy was a leader on the field. Losing him definitely had an impact.[/QUOTE]

I don't disgaree. But the loss of one player on D (a non-starting LB) when we were gaining back to starters in Orakpo and Merriweather shouldn't have resulted in the putrid excuse for a defense we now have. Bowen, Golston, and Jenkins are largely non-factors, and Cofield is a decent run stopper -- none gets within the same area code of opposing QBs. Now I realize a 3-4 is designed to get LBs to the QB, but our front three cannot collapse a pocket or even really push it back. I was watching some of the "highlights" (glutton for punishment), and Ponder and Cassel had all freaking day to throw; the opposite of RGIII's experience in the second half, and most of that pressure was up the middle (Montgomery and Lichtgensteiger have become liabilities).

[MTK]

[quote=calia;1040098]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Thompson wasn't drafted to play teams though.

Danny Smith had kicks blocked too.

The coverage is what's really killed us, that's where Zo comes in. Plus the guy was a leader on the field. Losing him definitely had an impact.[/QUOTE]

I don't disgaree. But the loss of one player on D (a non-starting LB) when we were gaining back to starters in Orakpo and Merriweather shouldn't have resulted in the putrid excuse for a defense we now have. Bowen, Golston, and Jenkins are largely non-factors, and Cofield is a decent run stopper -- none gets within the same area code of opposing QBs. Now I realize a 3-4 is designed to get LBs to the QB, but our front three cannot collapse a pocket or even really push it back. I was watching some of the "highlights" (glutton for punishment), and Ponder and Cassel had all freaking day to throw; the opposite of RGIII's experience in the second half, and most of that pressure was up the middle (Montgomery and Lichtgensteiger have become liabilities).

I was talking about losing Zo hurting us on teams, not on D.

The D has it's own problems.

[Counter-Tre]

I haven't seen guys roll over for Vikings like that since berserkers attacked the monastary on Noirmout island in 799 A.D. Haslett stinks!

[GTripp0012]

This team is an $110 million operation by cap dollars. If you truly believe an additional $18 million makes this a playoff team, you may be a sucker.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This team is an $110 million operation by cap dollars. If you truly believe an additional $18 million makes this a playoff team, you may be a sucker.

In this division? it would depend on money spent, but i think in the end, its a blessing in disguise.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This team is an $110 million operation by cap dollars. If you truly believe an additional $18 million makes this a playoff team, you may be a sucker.

18Million in cap dollars is easily 2-3 valuable starters, plus 1-2 role players. I don't think it's unfair to say that defensively that could be the difference between a 3rd and 18 completion, and a 3rd and 18 throwaway/sack.

Does the cap space alone make the difference, no, but it's easy to see how 2 of the "right" guys could fit into that space and make a difference. Heck the average spending for Offensive line positions for all the teams was $19,095,093(compiled from Overthecap.com's positional spending chart) so clearly 18Mil is a substantial amount when it comes to salary cap. Like wise the average spending for safeties and cb's was 18.135Mil. We spent 12Mil on safeties/cb's I would think a few upgrades were available if we had even 9mil extra.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

18Million in cap dollars is easily 2-3 valuable starters, plus 1-2 role players. I don't think it's unfair to say that defensively that could be the difference between a 3rd and 18 completion, and a 3rd and 18 throwaway/sack.

Does the cap space alone make the difference, no, but it's easy to see how 2 of the "right" guys could fit into that space and make a difference. Heck the average spending for Offensive line positions for all the teams was $19,095,093(compiled from Overthecap.com's positional spending chart) so clearly 18Mil is a substantial amount when it comes to salary cap. Like wise the average spending for safeties and cb's was 18.135Mil. We spent 12Mil on safeties/cb's I would think a few upgrades were available if we had even 9mil extra.

What starters would the Redskins been able to acquire that would have made one of the worst defenses in the NFL that much better?

I don't think the 18 million dollar hit would have bought us that many wins. Look at the Miami Dolphins for example, they got Ellerbe, Wheeler, and Grimes this past offseason.

They went from the 21st ranked defense by yardage... to the 20th. They actually got worst in Points Allowed.

I do not think the 18 million dollar excuse is valid. There are already enough free agents on the Redskins, signing more players that other teams thought were replaceable wouldn't help.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This team is an $110 million operation by cap dollars. If you truly believe an additional $18 million makes this a playoff team, you may be a sucker.

I agree and I'm tired of everyone saying..."oh well if we had cap dollars we'd be better!" ...that's a cop out excuse. This team has free agents that stink. Come March, Snyder will gas on the plane and everyone will be along for the ride. I hope we go out and get a couple guys, but I don't want to see the 2000 Redskins. I'd prefer that we draft more guys like Morris, Amerson and Reed.