Who is Kirk Cousins?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

lol ... Wow. KC folks as rabid RGIII fans were.

Who knew?

Speaking for myself, I just have gone by what I've seen on the field. There were some things that turned me off to Griffin, like the entire public standoff with Shanahan, the throwing teammates under the bus and the marketing video. But it really all came down to on the field performance. He never showed any serious instincts or feel for the pro passing game. KC did from the very beginning and IMO should have started the 2013 season.

Despite his struggles, which all young qb's have, I always believed that KC was better for the pro game. Not saying he's arrived cause he hasn't, but KC is better than Griffin. Period.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not saying he's arrived cause he hasn't, but KC is better than Griffin. Period.

Other than 30gut, please point to anyone suggesting, at this point, who is saying RGIII is a better option than KC?

Also, can we drop the "young QB" crap please. He's 27, midway through his 4th year in the league. At some point the "not enough starts" argument is just tiresome. He has played enough and been in the league long enough to make an evaluation. Throughout his career, he has been consistently inconsistent.

I would love to be wrong. I would love for the guy to flip some switch that entirely alters the way he has been playing. Just not getting my hopes up based on how he has played for the last three years and a half years.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Other than 30gut, please point to anyone suggesting, at this point, who is saying RGIII is a better option than KC?



Also, can we drop the "young QB" crap please. He's 27, midway through his 4th year in the league. At some point the "not enough starts" argument is just tiresome. He has played enough and been in the league long enough to make an evaluation. Throughout his career, he has been consistently inconsistent.



I would love to be wrong. I would love for the guy to flip some switch that entirely alters the way he has been playing. Just not getting my hopes up based on how he has played for the last three years and a half years.

But experience wise he is young. Do you not believe starting games has more to do with becoming a better qb than simply aging?
Edit: furthermore, he is finally after 3 years getting all the first team reps, and attention as a starter. This is like his rookie year in more than one way, that has to be taken into account. Not sure how it is getting "old" in week 8? Do not mistake my comments as me saying he will pan out, or he is the future. However we are 8 weeks into his first true audition imo.
When you are pulled off the bench in the second half, or cast into the starting role when the season is over already its easy to be inconsistent. This is year number one with him as the pre ordained starting qb from the preseason. That is a fact not an opinion. We are seeing absolute growth as is evident by his calm cool and collected self in clutch time. All of this without a true number one wr, and a banged up oline, a non existent run game, and a defense that has not exactly kept him in rythym by stopping the other teams. He has willed us to victory more than once this year.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Other than 30gut, please point to anyone suggesting, at this point, who is saying RGIII is a better option than KC?...

I don't fit into that category either.

Just for the sake of accuracy.

I have been saying, even before the season started, that Jay and Griffin wouldn't work. In fact I have been saying that Griffin should have been traded at the end of last season.

Overall my position of Kirk hasn't changed. You'll get some good, some bad, some awesome and some terrible.

What we all want is consistency especially when its comes to decision making and accuracy.

Kirk is becoming the QB he's going to be. He still has time to show consistent accuracy and decision making we are looking for...or not.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I don't know if I am rabid, but I am a fan, and I am willing to give the dude a chance, and I am not yet willing to declare him a career backup, or simply the short term solution, when he has barely even gotten his feet wet at this point.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I don't know if I am rabid, but I am a fan, and I am willing to give the dude a chance, and I am not yet willing to declare him a career backup, or simply the short term solution, when he has barely even gotten his feet wet at this point.

I'm honestly in the middle when it comes to Kirk Cousins, because I don't know what Scot McCloughan really thinks about him and whether Cousins is in his long term plans at all.

Before this year, I'm sure a lot of us thought that Alfred Morris would be in McCloughan's long term plan; yet Scot went and basically drafted a replacement right away. Now, we all know that there is little chance Morris is back with the team next year.

I hope Cousins continues to improve. If he continues to be inconsistent, but does enough, he can become the bridge QB, until whoever Scot chooses to be the QB of the future.

[Skinzman]

You people act as if we are rooting against KC. We arent, im sure every Redskins fan hopes he turns out to make Joe Montana and Tom Brady look worse than Ryan Leaf. We just dont think he will. He comes across as an average at best QB.

Also, stop with the whole Peyton Manning threw a lot of interceptions when he was young. Yes, that is true. But for every Peyton, there are 50 or more that didnt overcome it. If every young QB that struggled early turned into Peyton, every team would have 3 Peyton Mannings on the active roster and 2 more on the practice squad with a pool of 100 not on any NFL team waiting to be signed. You act as if overcoming his ints is a given once he starts some magical number of games when history has shown that the majority dont overcome it.

The team is still lacking in a lot of places. There is still a lot of improvement to be had from positions other than QB so its certainly not just KCs fault. But KC is still the same guy he was as a senior in college. Some great games, some good games, some terrible games.

[NC_Skins]

Kirk Cousins AMA live right now. Reddit co-founder and huge Redskins fan is looking out for us with some direct questions from us.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Redskins/co...ions_for_kirk/

[Schneed10]

I think you simply get through the full year, see where you are, and assign a value accordingly. You can't say there aren't signs of progress this year. But so far you also can't say he's worth a huge long term deal.

The right play might be a 3 year deal for mediocre starter money, letting him prove himself and earn a big QB payday down the road. Meanwhile at same time scout QBs and draft one if you think you've found the next Russell Wilson.

Luckily we don't need to decide now. Let the season play out.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think you simply get through the full year, see where you are, and assign a value accordingly. You can't say there aren't signs of progress this year. But so far you also can't say he's worth a huge long term deal.

The right play might be a 3 year deal for mediocre starter money, letting him prove himself and earn a big QB payday down the road. Meanwhile at same time scout QBs and draft one if you think you've found the next Russell Wilson.

Luckily we don't need to decide now. Let the season play out.

It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.

In the past 4 weeks, he led 2 game winning drives and 1 game tying drive with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Kirk Cousins will be getting paid a lot more than he is now to play QB in the NFL next year. At least one NFL team will look at the lack of a running game, and a lack of a #1 receiver and write him a check.

I've been scrolling through the thread and can't seem to find the name of his replacement after we let him walk.

We aren't going to franchise him because of the outrageous number, a performance based contract similar to Dalton's needs to be done sooner rather than later.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.

If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

You better stop with that sense making stuff, can't go around talking logic to peoplex. That's how people get hurt

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

Gee, I must admit I forgot all about the tag. Nevermind.

[rocnrik]

Andrew Luck isn't looking so hot right now! Truth is there are many factor that contribute to a QB success..Kirk may not be the star QB we are looking for but he is miles better than anything else we can put out there. I am willing to bet he plays steady from here on out and we will have our QB ..will he be perfect .heck no but from what i have seen so far is major improvement . I don't mind the int's so much if they are deep balls on 3rd down where he is trying to hit the big play..its those 15 yard interceptions that drive me crazy.I would like to see Kirk try more medium range passes on First down so the D won't stack against the run..Something tells me the Skins are going to play well against New england..might be upset of year!