Redskins trade for Alex Smith

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

A few thoughts here:

- Cousins was as good as gone so what did you prefer to Smith? Teddy B? Bradford? McCoy? Cousins also wasn't taking $23.5M per year.

- Smith is 33, no question he's still got some good years left in the tank, I'd say at least 2-3 which is enough to get us to the next option.

- With a compensatory pick coming back from Cousins leaving it's essentially Fuller for Smith. I love Fuller but I wouldn't have said trading him was a deal breaker.

- KC wasn't going to let him go for a ham sandwich. He was still under contract and no doubt several teams were very interested.

You said it perfectly, MTK. I needed to sleep on this before I made my official heavy metal statement. I hate the part about Fuller. I had wished it was Cravens. Having said that, we essentially got the same QB back. Older, yes, but slightly better wheels, slightly better decision makings, and fits into Gruden's offense. I think I mentioned is awhile back that Alex Smith could be available and he would be one out of all possible available QBs that I would take. So, I'm happy the Redskins took Smith, and for a bargain compared to what they would've paid for Cousins. I still say the 'skins need to draft a QB for the future.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by MTK

A few thoughts here:

- Cousins was as good as gone so what did you prefer to Smith? Teddy B? Bradford? McCoy? Cousins also wasn't taking $23.5M per year.

- Smith is 33, no question he's still got some good years left in the tank, I'd say at least 2-3 which is enough to get us to the next option.

- With a compensatory pick coming back from Cousins leaving it's essentially Fuller for Smith. I love Fuller but I wouldn't have said trading him was a deal breaker.

- KC wasn't going to let him go for a ham sandwich. He was still under contract and no doubt several teams were very interested.

Fuller is a player that's on the upswing. You simply can not trade a young, corner that you drafted for an old QB that doesn't throw downfield. So yes as I said, Colt could most likely do what Smith does. They should have went w/ Colt, signed a vet, keep the draft pick. They could have grabbed a QB in the 3rd round. Smith isn't taking you all the way anyway. This is Bruce Allen's way of doing business. Piss away draft picks just like his dad.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Fuller is a player that's on the upswing. You simply can not trade a young, corner that you drafted for an old QB that doesn't throw downfield. So yes as I said, Colt could most likely do what Smith does. They should have went w/ Colt, signed a vet, keep the draft pick. They could have grabbed a QB in the 3rd round. Smith isn't taking you all the way anyway. This is Bruce Allen's way of doing business. Piss away draft picks just like his dad.

Once again Alex Smith was in the top 10 in Deep ball attempts last season, why do you guys keep saying this?

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

right with KIRK

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Once again Alex Smith was in the top 10 in Deep ball attempts last season, why do you guys keep saying this?

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

right with KIRK

The other thing no one seems to mention is that Smith was in Andy Reid's system, Jay's system is much more QB friendly. it would not surprise me is Smith's stats next year are better than KC's ever were.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by hutch17

The other thing no one seems to mention is that Smith was in Andy Reid's system, Jay's system is much more QB friendly. it would not surprise me is Smith's stats next year are better than KC's ever were.

I bet he has 4000 yards and around 27 tds to about 10 ints

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Fuller is a player that's on the upswing. You simply can not trade a young, corner that you drafted for an old QB that doesn't throw downfield. So yes as I said, Colt could most likely do what Smith does. They should have went w/ Colt, signed a vet, keep the draft pick. They could have grabbed a QB in the 3rd round. Smith isn't taking you all the way anyway. This is Bruce Allen's way of doing business. Piss away draft picks just like his dad.

Smith was the best deep ball QB last year. He led the league in yards and passer rating on deep throws.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

Smith was the best deep ball QB last year. He led the league in yards and passer rating on deep throws.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards

[SkinzWin]

It is interesting to me to see all the feels everyone has over this.

A few objective statements/questions:

Kirk Cousins does not have good stats in the red zone.
Kirk Cousins hasn’t won more games in the 4th quarter than he has lost.
How do you build a quality team around a QB who commands such a high price tag that you don’t have the cap space to sign/extend other key positions?
What is your best alternative option for QB if we hadn’t traded for Smith?

Am I excited about losing Fuller? No. But we weren’t going to sign Cousins except for a max contract that prevents us from signing/extending other key pieces. I am not upset about NOT doing that because although he had great season stats, he didn’t shine where it matters; turnovers in the red zone and in the 4th quarter.

Gettting a top 10 quarterback with experience at a reasonable price for 4 years doesn’t happen often. We will get a compensatory pick for Cousins, probably a 3rd rounder. Don’t forget we can still transition tag him and try to trade him for something.

I see this as the best possible alternative for the future to the position because:
A) Cousins wanted too much.
B) We don’t know what a high QB pick may return.
C) we can have the picks and cap space to now build around a veteran QB with good stats and mobility.
D) You all need to step down off the ledge. It’s going to be okay.

[KI Skins Fan]

Well, we must have a QB so I reluctantly approve of this trade pending the drafting of our QB of the future.

[MTK]

At worst Smith and Cousins are a wash player wise. I'd give the slight edge to Smith overall due to his running ability. We shouldn't lose anything in terms of overall production at the QB spot.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

At worst Smith and Cousins are a wash player wise. I'd give the slight edge to Smith overall due to his running ability. We shouldn't lose anything in terms of overall production at the QB spot.

Nice fun with numbers article, last I checked NFL football isn't a board game played with slide rules. I have seen enough of Alex Smith to know he is nothing to get excited about.

[Skinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Nice fun with numbers article, last I checked NFL football isn't a board game played with slide rules. I have seen enough of Alex Smith to know he is nothing to get excited about.

You could literally replace "Alex Smith" with "Kirk Cousins" in this sentence and it would read the same.

[GridIron26]

It is interesting to see how we are divided on this move - some people applaud the move and some people are saying it's end of Redskins world for next 5 years.

In my perspective, I am not surprised by this move at all; it simply is all about value. Cousins and Smith are similar QB in general (yes, Cousins is little better than Smith but not by wide margin). Cousins and his agent want a contract that is close to $30m per year, and Smith seems to accept $23.5m per year, which will allow us to resign or sign 1 or 2 players (Z. Brown as an example). Don't forget Jay's offense system is QB friendly system - I have no doubt we will get similar results with Smith. We basically moved down in 3rd round pick with the compensatory pick, which we will get from Cousins. However, I am disappointed with giving up Fuller, I assumed we would let Breeland walk and then move Fuller to #2 CB. I suppose the plan is different now..

For those people who said we fucked up big time with Cousins - yes and no.. We had a chance to sign Cousins to a long term contract after 2015 but we were not sure if he will continue to improve or not so instead of going in blindly and give him big contract, we franchise tagged him. I believe this move was something most all of us agreed on. He ended up playing well in 2016 and then want a contract that is for top 3 QB and he is not top 3 QB, so we franchise tagged him again but the move quickly showed Cousins and his agent's plan, which is collecting guaranteed money as much as they can by quickly signing the franchise tag contract without making any counteroffer. If you guys believe we should have given Cousins whatever amount he wants, my answer is look at Ravens. Everybody in NFL knew Flacco is not top 5 QB but Ravens had to sign him to a massive contract (it was at that time) only because he won SB with help from great defense. Now, look at Ravens, they are struggling to build better team because they are financially strapped by the Flacco contract..

In fact, I feel this move have shown how much Redskins FO have grown since last few years. Yes, they made a terrible gamble on Cousins situation but really, can we do any better than what they did? With old FO, we would have given Cousins whatever amount he wanted and then cripple the team for next 5-10 years. Now, with Smith as our QB, we can easily focus on continue building the team, which we have been doing well since last two years. Although I am curious to see how the FO expect to find next franchise QB, it is fair to assume that we will be average team in worst scenario and we will be good team in best scenario; it will be difficult for Redskins to draft a franchise QB when we are slotted at #10 or lower.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

It is interesting to see how we are divided on this move - some people applaud the move and some people are saying it's end of Redskins world for next 5 years.

In my perspective, I am not surprised by this move at all; it simply is all about value. Cousins and Smith are similar QB in general (yes, Cousins is little better than Smith but not by wide margin). Cousins and his agent want a contract that is close to $30m per year, and Smith seems to accept $23.5m per year, which will allow us to resign or sign 1 or 2 players (Z. Brown as an example). Don't forget Jay's offense system is QB friendly system - I have no doubt we will get similar results with Smith. We basically moved down in 3rd round pick with the compensatory pick, which we will get from Cousins. However, I am disappointed with giving up Fuller, I assumed we would let Breeland walk and then move Fuller to #2 CB. I suppose the plan is different now.. .

I think the compensatory pick for KC is in 2019

[skinsfaninok]

Alex Smith the last 7 season has had a QB Rating of 90 or better, that is damn good. Is he the Franchise QB? No but he'll be fine for 3 years or 4. Also dude is a winner 88-62 as a starter, that is damn good. Look I wanted KC to stay and be our guy for the next 7 years, that was never going to happen,.

Smith in the playoffs
7 Games 2-5-0 156 253 61.66 1745 14 2 97.4 18 102 6.90 7.65 35 220 6.29 1 1 6 0.0 1 0


14 tds 2 ints I'll take that. 2-5 record isn't any good but atleast he plays good in the playoffs