Its time for joe to step down.

[skinsfan_nn]

Yea, if Joe can't run the ball a little harder inside the 5, and stop missing so many tackles, oh yea and his penalties are killing us.

For cryin out loud its NOT TIME FOR JOE TO STEP DOWN, GET A CLUE FOLKS.......ITS TIME FOR THE DAMN TEAM....YOU KNOW THE "PLAYERS" THAT GET PAYED TO PLAY! TO STEP UP AND PLAY BALL FOR 60 MINUTES!

[Schneed10]

With regards to Joe Gibbs I am indeed beginning to lose my patience. See, Gibbs is not just coach, but team president as well. It's not like we have a GM we can blame this on. Gibbs has been in charge of player acquisition the past four years, with Dan Snyder sitting back. Let's face it, we've all praised Snyder for finally allowing someone to handle football operations.

I absolutely can't find fault with Gibbs' coaching. But you know what's putting our November and December in dire straits? Depth. We've lost linemen, CBs, WRs, and now Sean Taylor who is the absolute keystone to our defense. And now our player well is running dry. Now I can see how it's unreasonable to expect any team to do well under these injury circumstances. But Gibbs is an elite coach. His clock management is off, but he's still motivating guys like the best of em. Elite teams are coached by elite coaches, and we're not elite because we can't cope with the injuries.

Why can't we cope? Because our team president made brilliant moves such as trading for TJ Duckett, trading for Brandon Lloyd, signing Adam Archuleta to a ridiculous contract, and eschewing draft picks in the process. We don't have depth because we don't have any mid round picks on our team.

Gibbs the coach is doing great in my opinion. He's taking a solid team and rescuing them from the depths of injury hell, producing a mediocre product. But the reason he can't do any better than that is because Gibbs the team president hasn't helped Gibbs the coach enough.

Unfortunately, you have to judge the complete package. With Snyder in the background, there's nobody else to point to.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

With regards to Joe Gibbs I am indeed beginning to lose my patience. See, Gibbs is not just coach, but team president as well. It's not like we have a GM we can blame this on. Gibbs has been in charge of player acquisition the past four years, with Dan Snyder sitting back. Let's face it, we've all praised Snyder for finally allowing someone to handle football operations.

I absolutely can't find fault with Gibbs' coaching. But you know what's putting our November and December in dire straits? Depth. We've lost linemen, CBs, WRs, and now Sean Taylor who is the absolute keystone to our defense. And now our player well is running dry. Now I can see how it's unreasonable to expect any team to do well under these injury circumstances. But Gibbs is an elite coach. His clock management is off, but he's still motivating guys like the best of em. Elite teams are coached by elite coaches, and we're not elite because we can't cope with the injuries.

Why can't we cope? Because our team president made brilliant moves such as trading for TJ Duckett, trading for Brandon Lloyd, signing Adam Archuleta to a ridiculous contract, and eschewing draft picks in the process. We don't have depth because we don't have any mid round picks on our team.

Gibbs the coach is doing great in my opinion. He's taking a solid team and rescuing them from the depths of injury hell, producing a mediocre product. But the reason he can't do any better than that is because Gibbs the team president hasn't helped Gibbs the coach enough.

Unfortunately, you have to judge the complete package. With Snyder in the background, there's nobody else to point to.

Good points. He's certainly made more mistakes in the office than on the field. Joe Gibbs hasn't always supported Joe Gibbs. There is hope that that is turning around. We've seen some signs (perhaps mostly idle words) of this, but it's a tough hole he's dug that he is ultimately responsible for.

But, as I mentioned last season, I think our talent evaluation issues may be at a more basic, scouting level.

Either way, it's definitely something that needs to be improved

(by the way, Schneed I removed your post from the other thread b/c it made more sense just to have it here)

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

(by the way, Schneed I removed your post from the other thread b/c it made more sense just to have it here)

LOL! Can you move mine too SS? Cuz I was replying back to Schneed in the other thread.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

LOL! Can you move mine too SS? Cuz I was replying back to Schneed in the other thread.

I just PM'd you

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good points. He's certainly made more mistakes in the office than on the field. Joe Gibbs hasn't always supported Joe Gibbs. There is hope that that is turning around. We've seen some signs (perhaps mostly idle words) of this, but it's a tough hole he's dug that he is ultimately responsible for.

But, as I mentioned last season, I think our talent evaluation issues may be at a more basic, scouting level.

Either way, it's definitely something that needs to be improved

(by the way, Schneed I removed your post from the other thread b/c it made more sense just to have it here)

Cool beans, thanks for keeping us organized.

He's done some good things with player acquisition. Most of the free agents he's brought in were good. Though Griffin, Washington, and Moss are looking less like the big winners they were back in 2004. Those guys are hurt a little too often for my tastes. He's made good picks with Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, etc. Campbell especially may have the capability to keep us in the playoff hunt every year. And you're right, they have said they'll keep 2008's draft picks, so that seems to show they're learning their lesson.

So I can't totally crap on Gibbs. After all, we're in a much better situation than we were when Spurrier was here, which says a lot. And I think we'd be 7-2 right now if we never lost Randy Thomas to injury (goalline beast).

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.

I hear ya! I'm just hoping whoever we have left to step up will do so starting this week.

[SmootSmack]

Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Cool beans, thanks for keeping us organized.

He's done some good things with player acquisition. Most of the free agents he's brought in were good. Though Griffin, Washington, and Moss are looking less like the big winners they were back in 2004. Those guys are hurt a little too often for my tastes. He's made good picks with Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, etc. Campbell especially may have the capability to keep us in the playoff hunt every year. And you're right, they have said they'll keep 2008's draft picks, so that seems to show they're learning their lesson.

So I can't totally crap on Gibbs. After all, we're in a much better situation than we were when Spurrier was here, which says a lot. And I think we'd be 7-2 right now if we never lost Randy Thomas to injury (goalline beast).

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.

Playoffs or no playoffs, this won't be the year the Redskins return to glory.

Nothing glorious about being the 6th seed in the NFC at 9-7...but it does mean more football, which should be the goal at this point. Just last as long as you can.

Anyway, you already know I agree with you on the personnel moves. The logic behind those were very straightforward, the only problem was the only scouting done on them was asking Al Saunders what he thought of them. We brought Saunders in here, treated him like a godsend offensive mastermind, and got burned. Now we keep him in his corner and let him run practice and make game plans. He doesn't really have Gibbs' trust in personnel imput though.

Trying to acquire a power back, a receiver with reputation of an up and comer, and an established safety with a rep for being a big hitter seemed good in theory at the time, but the team simply acted before doing their homework. Over the next few seasons, we will feel the effects of those moves.

[skinsguy]

Now that's well thought out Schneed and a good post. I think Gibbs the team President has tried to help Gibbs the coach, but he's just got too many irons in the fire. In my opinion, instead of giving up play calling, he should've given up being a GM. At the same time, I understand why Gibbs took on that role as well. Still, if all that Gibbs has to concentrate on is coaching this team, we'd be an elite team right now. Joe is still the Joe Gibbs from the glory years, but he's spreading himself way too thin. He needs some help in the FO.

(Thanks SS! )

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Offiss,

You failed to understand anything that I said. I have no problem with people who intelligently criticize the team. I have problems with people who view the team, any important issue, or the world in black and white terms and reduce everything to right and wrong, good v. evil, etc. Note that I have only asked about 2 people (including you) to leave this site in the past year or so. I'm particularly tired of people bitching about this site. My position is reasonable; if you don't like the site, be gone.

As for being a simple-minded moron, dude I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but you are a mental midget and make me feel like Einstein. By the way, it's not "of coarse," it's "of course."

But, I'm done. No one wants to read these stupid personal attacks (including mine) and I don't feel like wasting my time. I'll just hit the ignore button and hopefully you will do the same.

[firstdown]

Didn't everyone say the game passed him by in 2005?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Didn't everyone say the game passed him by in 2005?

If one more person brings up 05 I'm simply going to puke. We went 10-6 and beat some shitty teams to get in the playoffs. By the end of 05 the offense was so bad it wasn't even funny. We couldn't even get 1st downs in the playoffs and it was the defense that won the TB game. How many teams can win a playoff game with 40 yards passing? That is why Sanders has a job here. Cause the offense sucked at the end of 05. I get so tired of people going back to 05. We didn't make the Super Bowl, we made the divisional round. That use to be standard around here.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If one more person brings up 05 I'm simply going to puke. We went 10-6 and beat some shitty teams to get in the playoffs. By the end of 05 the offense was so bad it wasn't even funny. We couldn't even get 1st downs in the playoffs and it was the defense that won the TB game. How many teams can win a playoff game with 40 yards passing? That is why Sanders has a job here. Cause the offense sucked at the end of 05. I get so tired of people going back to 05. We didn't make the Super Bowl, we made the divisional round. That use to be standard around here.

Weren't we down to James Farris (was that his name) starting at WR? Our offense leaned heavily on the running game and that did quite well. But either way, while I disagree with you to an extent on 2005. I do agree that it doesn't need to be continually brought up. Just like 2000 doesn't need to be continually brought up every time someone wants to discuss our spending habits.

And, I know this is nitpicky, but...Saunders. I know it's not a big deal but it irks me that you always spell it Sanders. I have this thing where I feel like fans of the Redskins should correctly spell out the names of at least their top players and coaches.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Weren't we down to James Farris (was that his name) starting at WR? Our offense leaned heavily on the running game and that did quite well. But either way, while I disagree with you to an extent on 2005. I do agree that it doesn't need to be continually brought up. Just like 2000 doesn't need to be continually brought up every time someone wants to discuss our spending habits.

And, I know this is nitpicky, but...Saunders. I know it's not a big deal but it irks me that you always spell it Sanders. I have this thing where I feel like fans of the Redskins should correctly spell out the names of at least their top players and coaches.

Great point.