Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Those of you who think JT is too old to contribute in a BIG way are crazy. You don't just lose everything you had because you are one year (day) older. It happens slowly, and from what I've seen, JT has not yet begun to decline. I mean, look at Daniels -- the guy's 35, and not even worthy to stand in JT's shadow. Yet, he has been a great player for us -- for more than just one year -- and we got him in his 30's.

Two things, although I largely agree with what you said that decline is a gradual process.

Some players really do fall off the face of the earth. Think Warren Sapp in 2007, or Curtis Martin in 2005. Sapp had a rejuvenated year in 2006, but was a shell of his former self this year. Martin hit the wall and was never effective again after leading the league in rushing in 2004.

The other thing is, we gave up something significant to get him, so even gradual decline could indicate that we got the short end of the stick. Sure, Taylor could absolutely take a backseat role after 2008, and provide some key pass rush off the bench, but we certainly didn't give up a 2nd so we could move him to the bench after a season.

Clearly we made an investment in Taylor and we need him to produce big time. But as you mentioned in your post, a pro bowl year is hardly out of the question.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Two things, although I largely agree with what you said that decline is a gradual process.

Some players really do fall off the face of the earth. Think Warren Sapp in 2007, or Curtis Martin in 2005. Sapp had a rejuvenated year in 2006, but was a shell of his former self this year. Martin hit the wall and was never effective again after leading the league in rushing in 2004.

The other thing is, we gave up something significant to get him, so even gradual decline could indicate that we got the short end of the stick. Sure, Taylor could absolutely take a backseat role after 2008, and provide some key pass rush off the bench, but we certainly didn't give up a 2nd so we could move him to the bench after a season.

Clearly we made an investment in Taylor and we need him to produce big time. But as you mentioned in your post, a pro bowl year is hardly out of the question.

I would say that Sapp's 2006 year was kind of exceptional. In the five years preceeding 2006, Sapp averaged 5.2 sacks. He got 10 in 2006, and 2 in 2007. So, I would say he gradually declined, and it started happening the last three years he was with Tampa. Oakland just somehow managed to get one last good year from him -- even after his decline.

As for Martin, he was injured in 2005, but he definitely wasn't playing well before that happened. Yeah, he pretty much fell off.

I think a lot has to do with the position as well. It seems more likely a RB will fall-off immediately, rather than a QB, safety, DE, etc.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I would say that Sapp's 2006 year was kind of exceptional. In the five years preceeding 2006, Sapp averaged 5.2 sacks. He got 10 in 2006, and 2 in 2007. So, I would say he gradually declined, and it started happening the last three years he was with Tampa. Oakland just somehow managed to get one last good year from him -- even after his decline.

That's a good point. Maybe the on field production masked a continual decline in physical skills.

Maybe it's possible that Taylor's skills are already declining, but if it is, I certainly can't find any statistical evidence of it.

[MTK]

All I know is I haven't heard one analyst all day on ESPN or NFL Radio call the Taylor trade a bad move for either team. In fact several said gave the Redskins the slight edge in the deal.

[WaldSkins]

Even "if" JT is declining, he still is a better DE then what we just lost. If he even repeats his down year of 11 sacks in 2008 he will be the first player with that many on this team since 2000. He instantly draws the double rush off of carter for him to be more productive. You can't go by stats alone, he played for a 1-15 team, and he still achieved a double digit sack total. Im for a over 13 sack total this year because there is no way the line he played with last year was better then what he will have this year.

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[skinsnut]

so...any of you know what we do with Buzbee and Daniels?
I figure the ideal situation is to cut both and not take up a roster space on IR.
What is the impact to the cap?
Can this be done?

I still say we need to sign a run stuffing end or a solid DT and absolutely still need an experienced OLB

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

so...any of you know what we do with Buzbee and Daniels?
I figure the ideal situation is to cut both and not take up a roster space on IR.
What is the impact to the cap?
Can this be done?

I still say we need to sign a run stuffing end or a solid DT and absolutely still need an experienced OLB

Buzbee has minimal effect, only $ 370K this year. Daniels is a larger number, about $ 2.7M in salary. Either way, I don't believe you can release a player who is injured until the off-season, or if you do you still are liable for their salary and cap #.

The cap/contract folks would need to confirm this.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Buzbee has minimal effect, only $ 370K this year. Daniels is a larger number, about $ 2.7M in salary. Either way, I don't believe you can release a player who is injured until the off-season, or if you do you still are liable for their salary and cap #.

The cap/contract folks would need to confirm this.

is schneed out there?
I smell injury settlements with release...only I don't know if we can afford it unless it is all salary

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Buzbee has minimal effect, only $ 370K this year. Daniels is a larger number, about $ 2.7M in salary. Either way, I don't believe you can release a player who is injured until the off-season, or if you do you still are liable for their salary and cap #.

The cap/contract folks would need to confirm this.

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but if Madden is right then Daniels salary will not count against the cap since the team has him on IR. And on top of that you can't release a player who is injured, the Shaun Alexander saga this past offseason proved that.

[budw38]

Should Taylor make an easy transition to LDE , having both Ends getting up field changes the play calling for the Opp's Off. Cord. As long as we do not suffer in stopping the run , our DB's are much better . This move could put some more zip in other vets like Griff and M Washington . I do not know if Blache likes to blitz , but are lb's will have more gaps to run through when we dial one up . Of course , with AC and JT coming off the edge , we might not need to blitz ?

[SmootSmack]

I don't know how legit this is, or who it might be. But there's a rumor supposedly that the Redskins are picking up another veteran DE in a couple days (a "run stopper).

I don't know who it is. I know there's talk of Eric Hicks coming to camp, but I don't think he's who is being talked about

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know how legit this is, or who it might be. But there's a rumor supposedly that the Redskins are picking up another veteran DE in a couple days (a "run stopper).

I don't know who it is. I know there's talk of Eric Hicks coming to camp, but I don't think he's who is being talked about

well..this guy is 6'6" 280...that sounds like a run stuffer end to me

[Ruhskins]

Shouldn't they be looking to bring in a DB or LB instead of another DE?

[hesscl34]

Here's a little food for thought.. I was thinking about this while listening to Jason's press conference today.

1. He was introduced as a Redskin to us on the 21st
2. His last name is Taylor - and will line up with our D
3. He is from, and loved Miami

... Coincidence? I think not. Thanks Sean for looking out for us!!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Here's a little food for thought.. I was thinking about this while listening to Jason's press conference today.

1. He was introduced as a Redskin to us on the 21st
2. His last name is Taylor - and will line up with our D
3. He is from, and loved Miami

... Coincidence? I think not. Thanks Sean for looking out for us!!!

You might be on to something!