Do You Want Jason Campbell Back in 2010?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Campbell would be a #2 or a #3 on all of those teams, except maybe the Raiders. Campbell could definitely find work of some kind in the NFL, but the skins are the most attractive option to him. Zorn may end up win Cleaveland, but there's no way in hell he'll want anything to do with Campbell there.

He starts for every single one of them except maybe Seattle if Hasslebeck is healthy. Not a single doubt.

It seems to me that the JC argument breaks down into 2 camps mostly.

1) Thinks he could be a good QB given the right line and tools around him. This group sorta sub-divides into the "That's not good enough versus That is perfectly fine" sub-argument.

2) Thinks he is the worst QB ever. Has never shown anything to make us think he could be an adequate NFL QB. Thinks he's a backup on teams that currently have zilch at QB.

Obviously I'm in the first group and lean to the "perfectly fine" side.

The second group...I don't know what Redskins games you've been watching. I'm not even sure you all have a great grasp of what it takes to win in the NFL. Or maybe I am crazy.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Campbell would be a #2 or a #3 on all of those teams, except maybe the Raiders. Campbell could definitely find work of some kind in the NFL, but the skins are the most attractive option to him. Zorn may end up win Cleaveland, but there's no way in hell he'll want anything to do with Campbell there.

What are you talking about, he would without a doubt start in Cleveland, Oakland, Carolina, Tampa, and St. Louis.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Teams with shaky QB situations:

Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams

The only 2 teams I'd see that Campbell may not be the unquestioned starter in '10 on are the Bucs because they're committed to Josh Freeman and the Seahawks because Hasselbeck is still there.

Debates like this REALLY make me question the football acumen of some fans. Campbell's not going to any Pro Bowls but he's not Joey Harrington or Rex Grossman either. Not being able to see value in players that aren't superstars is basics in being a football fan vs. a Madden head with a rooting interest in a particular team.

*EDIT* ^...and my point is made for me.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

The only 2 teams I'd see that Campbell may not be the unquestioned starter in '10 on are the Bucs because they're committed to Josh Freeman and the Seahawks because Hasselbeck is still there.

Debates like this REALLY make me question the football acumen of some fans. Campbell's not going to any Pro Bowls but he's not Joey Harrington or Rex Grossman either. Not being able to see value in players that aren't superstars is basics in being a football fan vs. a Madden head with a rooting interest in a particular team.

*EDIT* ^...and my point is made for me.

I agree that JC is better than Harrington & Grossman (although Grossman went to a Super Bowl and JC hasnt even come close) is he really an upgrade? I think the answer in most cases is no. That said, he also not a downgrade, he just a lateral move. Like I said, he'd start but the team wont take off because they will have an inaccurate passer, who's a slow decision maker with no pocket presence at QB. That will get a team through a season but it wont take them where they hope to go.

JC is just a younger version of Gus Ferrotte. He'll hang around the league and make a decent career but nobody will know what team he's playing for.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Teams with shaky QB situations:

Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams

If Zorn goes to Cleveland do you expect them to continue the Quinn project under his wing?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Teams with shaky QB situations:

Raiders
Bills
Browns
Panthers
Bucs
Seahawks
Rams

I actually believe JC will be a pretty hot item and think St. Louis and Seattle will be the teams to take serious looks at him. Holmgren at Cleveland is the darkhorse...I think Zorn QB coach there and bringing along JC would make sense. Anderson is most likly going to be cut, Quinn and JC could make for an interesting battle at QB. I like Cleveland to draft Defense with their first pick and Clausen going to either the Rams or Seahawks...Bruce should tender JC and if he gets offered a second round pick, I couldnt see how he would turn it down. Even though I would like to see JC remain as we pick a young QB to develop in the draft, I have a feeling the "new adminstration (Shanny & Co.)" is gonna want to wash their hands of many, many players currently on the roster, JC probably being near the top of that list.

[davy]

I think there is zero chance of Campbell being a long-term starter anywhere in the league.

He is very high maintenance as far as coaching goes as he seems to be totally devoid of any football instincts at all.

[MTK]

Yeah the Bucs are probably riding with Freeman now, I just tossed them in there because it's not as if Freeman has shown that he is the unquestioned guy of the future just yet. Hasselbeck in Seattle battled injuries all year and is clearly on the back end of his career. I'm just guessing they could be looking to move on from him.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah the Bucs are probably riding with Freeman now, I just tossed them in there because it's not as if Freeman has shown that he is the unquestioned guy of the future just yet. Hasselbeck in Seattle battled injuries all year and is clearly on the back end of his career. I'm just guessing they could be looking to move on from him.

True, I could see Zorn going back there as QB coach if he doesn't go to Cleveland with Holmgren so there may be a fit.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

True, I could see Zorn going back there as QB coach if he doesn't go to Cleveland with Holmgren so there may be a fit.

The last place Campbell will end up is wherever zorn lands. To me, its clearly apparent that Zorn doesn't believe Campbell has what it takes.

[skinsfaninok]

Just read an article on ESPN.Com that said we are likely not bringing Campbell back (no shocker there). You have to be subscribed to it though to read it but it's right on point about the future of this organization.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Just read an article on ESPN.Com that said we are likely not bringing Campbell back (no shocker there). You have to be subscribed to it though to read it but it's right on point about the future of this organization.

I saw it and think its just speculation. ESPN also had an article entitled "Brennan to start in 2010?" or something like that. ESPNs subsciber content is a complete joke.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I saw it and think its just speculation. ESPN also had an article entitled "Brennan to start in 2010?" or something like that. ESPNs subsciber content is a complete joke.

Agreed -- seems like it's mostly rumors and I don't have to pay for PFT and BleacherReport.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Simple yes or no.

No caveats. No "only as a backup" No "only get rid of him if we can get at least a 2nd rounder back" No "what are the cap implications"

None of that. Do you want Jason Campbell on the Redskins in 2010.

Yes or no?

I've come to the conclusion that my answer is no. I like Campbell and think he can be very good one day. But I want great, and I'm no longer convinced he can be.

I want him back, but also want the Skins to use their first pick on a QB. The number one ingredient to winning a super bowl is an elite QB - Manning, Warner, Brady, Elway, etc. Yes, you can win with the Dilfers, Elis and Big Bens of the world (although I think he's closer to the elite category), but they are more the exception than the rule. There are going to be some QBs in next year's draft that go onto greatness. I think we need to take a shot at getting one.

The O line can be fixed with other draft picks and via free agency. Trade Cooley for picks and grab a RB and Free Safety.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I want him back, but also want the Skins to use their first pick on a QB. The number one ingredient to winning a super bowl is an elite QB - Manning, Warner, Brady, Elway, etc. Yes, you can win with the Dilfers, Elis and Big Bens of the world (although I think he's closer to the elite category), but they are more the exception than the rule. There are going to be some QBs in next year's draft that go onto greatness. I think we need to take a shot at getting one.

The O line can be fixed with other draft picks and via free agency. Trade Cooley for picks and grab a RB and Free Safety.

how do you know? there is nothing saying clausen won't be the same as quinn, and whats to say bradford's shoulder is done?

you can never tell who will be great. elway and manning were number one overall and panned out, for each manning and elway there are ten jamarcus russells, and warner was undrafted and brady was barely drafted in the 7th