The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

[MTK]

Redskins Insider - Phillip Daniels believes the 3-4 can work

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

So you think Andre Carter is a 3-4 outside backer? Nope. Yet he's one of our best pass rushers. Where has he been? Is Haynesworth a nose tackle? Nope. Is Rocky an inside backer? No. Where is Chris Wilson? Do we even have a true nose tackle? No. Are Hall and Rogers zone corners? No. So yes it's very early but there are just too many indications that this is going to be a crappy defense cause guys seem to be out of position.

If Carter, Haynesworth and Rocky can't learn a new position, a few feet from their previous (which is an oversimplification I know), then they can GTFO. I don't want a bunch of dumbasses out there who play like retards if you dare ask them to stand up, or move inside a bit, or play 0-technique.

But I don't think they're a bunch of retards -- they probably can play those positions. Time will tell.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

If Carter, Haynesworth and Rocky can't learn a new position, a few feet from their previous (which is an oversimplification I know), then they can GTFO. I don't want a bunch of dumbasses out there who play like retards if you dare ask them to stand up, or move inside a bit, or play 0-technique.

But I don't think they're a bunch of retards -- they probably can play those positions. Time will tell.

Well Landry never truly learned to play FS, and is doing much better as a SS. And one of the reasons Carter came to Washington was because he wasn't successful as a 3-4 LB when SF changed to that scheme. I think versatility is great, but at the same time you need players that are good at their positions in certain schemes. And save for maybe Orakpo, the rest of our front seven are learning their positions.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Redskins Insider - Phillip Daniels believes the 3-4 can work

Good comment from that article:

If not for the defense, and Hall in particular, the Skins start the season 0-1 to the hated Cowpies. The defense scored more than the offense against the Pies.

So let's [say] defense won the first game and lost the second.

Yesterday, if EITHER the defense or offense stepped up, it's a winnable game. Again, 1 for 10 on 3rd down ain't gonna win many games. Three times deep in the Red Zone, and coming away with 9 points ain't gonna win many games.

Blame the defense sure, but blame the offense too. 1 for 10 on 3rd down against the Rams? Zorn could have done better.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

[Monkeydad]

[over the mountain]

Hall is a good cover corner
Rogers is a good man corner
Orakpo is a good rush outside linebacker
Fletcher is a good middle linebacker
Landry is a good SS
Carriker appears to be decent at end

thats 5 starting defensive players that IMO fit their positions in the 34.

of course we need a NT, which I think will be a priority this offseason as well as more linebackers.

next year we add a NT and some more pieces.

in 2 years, we should be ready to roll out our true version of the 34.

its not going to happen in 1 season, particularly the first 3 games.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Just to build off this I think we need to be clear here that the 3-4 change really only involves the front seven. As far as the secondary goes it's still the same. You're either in man or zone or some combo.

Very true. However, it is also the scheme that dictates DB depth in different situations. I don't understand why our corners are play 7-10 yards off the ball when the blitz is on. It just doesn't make sense and it is not the corners determining how much cushion they are giving.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

If Carter, Haynesworth and Rocky can't learn a new position, a few feet from their previous (which is an oversimplification I know), then they can GTFO. I don't want a bunch of dumbasses out there who play like retards if you dare ask them to stand up, or move inside a bit, or play 0-technique.

But I don't think they're a bunch of retards -- they probably can play those positions. Time will tell.

You know it's just not that simple. If you have guys that play a 4-3 better and fit that scheme better than why change it? It's about doing what you do best. As I mentioned before, you don't see Pittsburgh changing their defense around when they hired a new coach. It has nothing to do with being dumb.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Buster

Oh if only this could be an avatar. LOL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You know it's just not that simple. If you have guys that play a 4-3 better and fit that scheme better than why change it? It's about doing what you do best. As I mentioned before, you don't see Pittsburgh changing their defense around when they hired a new coach. It has nothing to do with being dumb.

Using that logic nobody would ever make any scheme changes. Change is difficult and it's not always going to be a perfect fit initially.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As I mentioned before, you don't see Pittsburgh changing their defense around when they hired a new coach. It has nothing to do with being dumb.

To be fair, LeBeau has been the defensive coordinator since 2004. Of course they aren't going to change a defense in 2007 that's been superior. And before LeBeau, the Steelers ran a 3-4 with Cowher. That comparsion really doesn't hold water because the situation isn't the same...

The fact that Shanahan wanted to run a 3-4 is the reason he hired Haslett in the first place. That's why the scheme has changed. The Skins have the personnel to run the 3-4 successfully. It's a matter of execution and the coaches making proper adjustments, which they have not done successfully in the 1st 3 games.

[over the mountain]

IDK man, all we heard from the media, experts etc is that success of the 34 is dictated by having a true NT.

We dont have one, Ma'akke is not holding up so far, not that he cant later in the season since he didnt play last year and Ill give him a full season before handing out report cards.

[skinsfan69]

let's see how they do next week. not ready to fire anyone since this isn't a playoff team anyway. but i want to see some adjustments.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Oh if only this could be an avatar. LOL.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Go catch play with Donovan??